[kwlug-disc] UBB Discussion, look at Cogeco

[Chris Frey]

Ahh yes, the olden days of UUCP and Fidonet, when real men got together
around the world and created their own network on top of whatever
system was available at the time. :-)

It would be fun to be part of the modern equivalent.

Parts of this essay might be inspiring as well:

	http://blog.futurestreetconsulting.com/?p=484

- Chris



On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 01:25:49PM -0500, Colin Mackay wrote:
> Neat.
> 
> Well, I'd be willing to start something in the near future, not really sure
> how to architect the whole thing, but it would be interesting.  Problem is,
> of course, that I am in New Hamburg.  I have an excellent sight line east,
> south and west and was planning (hoping?) to put up a TV tower this summer.
> At least we could share Linux distros!  I wonder, if we ended up with a
> large enough network, lets say in 5 years we manage to collect a thousand
> interlinked nodes and even managed to VPN between other geographical areas
> that have the same network...  Could make for an interesting private
> network.  If we encrypted all traffic and data and built it out.  Start
> Internet 2 out as a distributed, encrypted cloud, kind of like Freenet.
> 
> Ah, pipe dreams. :)  I'm sure the government would complain once it got too
> big.  Still, it'd be fun to create.  Do we have the skills necessary, in the
> LUG, to work out requirements for an encrypted, wide area mesh network?
> Hardware and software, of course.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM, L.D. Paniak <ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com>wrote:
> 
> > Bender, is that you?
> >
> > You can cover a lot of ground with directed 80211a point-to-point links
> > eg:
> >
> > http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=107
> >
> >
> > http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/popup_add_image.php?imagesID=85&osCsid=206f1915f49fa0097ecf85245a97278c&products_id=107
> > '
> >
> > One could make the hardware rather maintenance-free/ redundant, but the
> > whole system would cost money. I'd envision a non-profit organization
> > over-seeing the show.
> >
> > The real trick is to get a proper internet portal to direct all the
> > traffic through.  Retail is not going to do.  I would include Atria(aka
> > Rogers) in that category. One needs to completely circumvent the
> > gibberish of the CRTC and talk to wholesale vendors.
> >
> > Think Bell will let us coloc a wireless "a" bridge at one of their COs?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:08 -0500, Colin Mackay wrote:
> > > Modified Futurama quote:  (Sorry.)
> > >
> > > "Oh, no room for us on the internet, huh? Fine! I'll go build my own
> > > internet, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the internet and
> > > the blackjack! Ahh, screw the whole thing!"
> > >
> > > I've often wondered what it would be like to get a large area mesh
> > > network setup, the only issue I see is trusting everyone; who would
> > > own the final connection to the net?  What if it goes down and the
> > > person is on vacation; we can't get in to fix it?  How do we connect
> > > those that are a little farther away?   Do we need multiple entry
> > > points?
> > >
> > > It could end up costing quite a bit, in the long run...
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Adam Glauser <adamglauser at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >         On 2/1/2011 11:34 AM, L.D. Paniak wrote:
> > >                 You wants to build a mesh network on the west side of
> > >                 Kitchener?
> > >
> > >
> > >         Is there an ISP that will offer a service that is allowed to
> > >         be shared in this way?  Atria maybe?
> > >
> > >         Let's assume that one of us had a fibre connection available,
> > >         and that the service agreement allowed sharing.  What does
> > >         Atria change per GB for usage?  I wonder what sort of usage
> > >         terms would be required for equitable cost distribution in
> > >         such a scheme.
> > >
> > >
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