[kwlug-disc] UBB Discussion, look at Cogeco

Colin Mackay zixiekat at gmail.com
Tue Feb 1 13:48:44 EST 2011 

I was thinking less of a connection for everyone and anyone, just keep it
with a large clique of trusted people, paying the monthly costs of the
internet connection(s).  The only issue I'd see, of course, is the trust.
It only takes one fool to perform illegal activities and ruin the whole
thing.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM, R. Brent Clements <rbclemen at gmail.com>wrote:

> All attempts to blanket a populated area will be squashed by the firms
> that expect to be able to charge for those services.
>
> If we could find one endpoint and a network of appartment buildings in
> close proximity to each other to create an initial web that can
> leverage the increased residential unit density, we could make a good
> start.  We may also want to look into providing a cost-effective
> low-bandwith solution to rent controlled townhouse complexes in
> exchange for physical locations to create bridges.
>
> My business partner and I have thought about this kind of thing
> before.  but without someone with enough clout to provide an
> unencumbered backbone connection and the ability to stand up to the
> CRTC when we actually become large enough to be a threat to them, it
> seems moot.
>
> Brent
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Insurance Squared Inc.
> <gcooke at insurancesquared.com> wrote:
> > I'm sure we have the skills. I suspect the skills aren't even that
> > difficult.  The problem is getting an endpoint for the wireless traffic
> and
> > dumping that onto the web somehow that doesn't involve Bell.
> >
> > And that end point connection isn't initially scalable.  Someone's got to
> > have something like a fibre line and those aren't cheap.  However if you
> > have one, I'd be happy to piggy back on yours :).
> >
> > Google even tried to blanket San Francisco with free wireless. FAIL.
> >
> > On a bit of a tangent, I personally know there's at least five tech folks
> > within line of site of Colin's house.  Myself, three web designers who
> work
> > from home and a Google employee. One could probably make it work. Except
> > then you've got to bring in Atria.   I've priced it out to bring them in
> to
> > my house, near Colin's, and it was about $25K.
> >
> > It's an interesting idea.  But to date no one's been able to pull it off.
> >
> > On 01/02/11 01:25 PM, Colin Mackay wrote:
> >
> > Neat.
> >
> > Well, I'd be willing to start something in the near future, not really
> sure
> > how to architect the whole thing, but it would be interesting.  Problem
> is,
> > of course, that I am in New Hamburg.  I have an excellent sight line
> east,
> > south and west and was planning (hoping?) to put up a TV tower this
> summer.
> > At least we could share Linux distros!  I wonder, if we ended up with a
> > large enough network, lets say in 5 years we manage to collect a thousand
> > interlinked nodes and even managed to VPN between other geographical
> areas
> > that have the same network...  Could make for an interesting private
> > network.  If we encrypted all traffic and data and built it out.  Start
> > Internet 2 out as a distributed, encrypted cloud, kind of like Freenet.
> >
> > Ah, pipe dreams. :)  I'm sure the government would complain once it got
> too
> > big.  Still, it'd be fun to create.  Do we have the skills necessary, in
> the
> > LUG, to work out requirements for an encrypted, wide area mesh network?
> > Hardware and software, of course.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM, L.D. Paniak <
> ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Bender, is that you?
> >>
> >> You can cover a lot of ground with directed 80211a point-to-point links
> >> eg:
> >>
> >> http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=107
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/popup_add_image.php?imagesID=85&osCsid=206f1915f49fa0097ecf85245a97278c&products_id=107
> '
> >>
> >> One could make the hardware rather maintenance-free/ redundant, but the
> >> whole system would cost money. I'd envision a non-profit organization
> >> over-seeing the show.
> >>
> >> The real trick is to get a proper internet portal to direct all the
> >> traffic through.  Retail is not going to do.  I would include Atria(aka
> >> Rogers) in that category. One needs to completely circumvent the
> >> gibberish of the CRTC and talk to wholesale vendors.
> >>
> >> Think Bell will let us coloc a wireless "a" bridge at one of their COs?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:08 -0500, Colin Mackay wrote:
> >> > Modified Futurama quote:  (Sorry.)
> >> >
> >> > "Oh, no room for us on the internet, huh? Fine! I'll go build my own
> >> > internet, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the internet and
> >> > the blackjack! Ahh, screw the whole thing!"
> >> >
> >> > I've often wondered what it would be like to get a large area mesh
> >> > network setup, the only issue I see is trusting everyone; who would
> >> > own the final connection to the net?  What if it goes down and the
> >> > person is on vacation; we can't get in to fix it?  How do we connect
> >> > those that are a little farther away?   Do we need multiple entry
> >> > points?
> >> >
> >> > It could end up costing quite a bit, in the long run...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Adam Glauser <adamglauser at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >         On 2/1/2011 11:34 AM, L.D. Paniak wrote:
> >> >                 You wants to build a mesh network on the west side of
> >> >                 Kitchener?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >         Is there an ISP that will offer a service that is allowed to
> >> >         be shared in this way?  Atria maybe?
> >> >
> >> >         Let's assume that one of us had a fibre connection available,
> >> >         and that the service agreement allowed sharing.  What does
> >> >         Atria change per GB for usage?  I wonder what sort of usage
> >> >         terms would be required for equitable cost distribution in
> >> >         such a scheme.
> >> >
> >> >
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