[kwlug-disc] Hitting Bell / Rogers where it hurts?

Thu Feb 3 08:15:41 EST 2011

Agreed Eric.

I am sure that it will never happen because it would probably be 
difficult to understand, but Rate Based Billing (RBB) :) seems like it 
makes a lot more sense than usage.

Maybe you could download all month long, but if you always less than 
some reasonable Mbps, who cares? But if you want things fast, then you 
can pay for it.

Andrew

On 01/02/11 05:32 PM, Eric Gerlach wrote:
> Here's what gets me about this whole thing:
>
> - Cost to install fibre: fixed wrt GBs used
> - Cost to install copper to the home: fixed wrt GBs used
> - Cost to install all the networking equipment: fixed wrt GBs used
> - Cost to maintain equipment: fixed wrt GBs used
>
> All of the above are fixed wrt the GB used.  They are variable wrt Mbps offered.
>
> Quality of service has been in networking equipment for years now.
> So, when someone goes over their 25GB limit, don't charge them more,
> just throw them into a lower QoS tier.
>
> Eric smash!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM, R. Brent Clements<rbclemen at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Here is another option. Pay someone a hundred bucks to fly from
>> Toronto to Calgary via Westjet, give them a hotel room, fly them back,
>> and that becomes cost effective if they carry a single terabyte drive
>> in their luggage.
>>
>> The rates they want to charge are unbelievably ridiculous.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, R. Brent Clements<rbclemen at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Here is one to consider:
>>>
>>> 160GB of file transfer at 5Mbit continuous would take about 24 hours,
>>> and at $1.90 a gigabyte would cost 304 bucks.
>>>
>>> A 160GB SSD harddrive costs about 300 bucks.  overnight shipping for
>>> that drive would cost about 20 bucks.  So you can use the postal
>>> service to ship a harddrive with the data, copy the data off the drive
>>> at the destination and THROW THE DRIVE IN THE GARBAGE, and it costs
>>> approximately the same as Bell wants to charge us for using the
>>> internet?
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Joe Wennechuk
>>> <youcanreachmehere at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> Megawire has a 40 Mbps fiber connection comming into breslau from there it
>>>> goes wireless and start hopping. They are implementing a mesh technology,
>>>> and your speed depends on many factors. Call Tony at megawire. He is
>>>> supposed to be giving a talk at the lug soon about openWRT on an Ubiquity
>>>> routerstation. He has some stuff on his blog, http://blog.tonypigz.com/  -
>>>> they will give you a discount if you do some of the work yourself ;0.
>>>> I'm almost sure they pay bell for the fibre though. I'll have to check...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Wennechuk
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>>>> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:56:51 -0500
>>>> From: zixiekat at gmail.com
>>>> To: kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Hitting Bell / Rogers where it hurts?
>>>>
>>>> I'll look at other options, so please, if you have the name, I'd like it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm up high in New Hamburg, on my roof I have a clear view east, south and
>>>> west...  I can see the town of Baden, let alone the tower.  I'd be willing
>>>> to give it a try.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Insurance Squared Inc.
>>>> <gcooke at insurancesquared.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There's I think a number of options available for wireless internet access
>>>> in new hamburg.  I was the first person to get wireless in new hamburg many
>>>> years ago :).  Wightman(?) out of Stratford that was recently mentioned on
>>>> the list has a tower near the gas stations, behind stitch graphics.  Or they
>>>> used to anyway - the tower's still there.  There's also a wireless tower on
>>>> the feed mill in Baden that a friend of mine uses, I can dig up the name if
>>>> you need.
>>>>
>>>> Problem with wireless is that you've got to have line of site and initial
>>>> install is a bit of a pain.  Antennaes and the like aren't cheap.  Having
>>>> been on wireless for a number of years I'm much happier with DSL.  However
>>>> my friend indicated that I think he's getting like 5mbits up and down so
>>>> maybe it's better than DSL today.  And because the wireless connections
>>>> typically hook onto a fibre feed, there's none of this CRTC garbage.
>>>>
>>>> On 31/01/11 03:44 PM, Colin Mackay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, for those of us that use Bell or Rogers, can we hit them in their
>>>> pocketbook?  I have a Bell phone line and Bell satellite (2 year contract
>>>> that is up shortly), I plan to switch to VOIP and migrate to another TV
>>>> provider.  I know with Internet, I am stuck with DSL or Rogers, being out in
>>>> New Hamburg, but does anyone know others that offer TV that isn't Bell or
>>>> Rogers?
>>>>
>>>> What about Shaw?  Are they pulling the same UBB stuff?
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know a Cable provider for the New Hamburg area?
>>>>
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