[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

[L.D. Paniak]

Most DVDs are loaded with bad blocks.  Does that make any tool which can
navigate bad blocks a TPM breaker?  gddrescue is a wealth destroyer?  So
much for the data recovery business.

I'm sure there are many more examples which demonstrate the absurdity of
a hardline approach to TPMs and systems which represent potential
countermeasures.  


On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 23:45 -0400, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
> What about my hex editor that comes with Linux :-)
> 
> unsolicited wrote:
> > laws aren't usually retroactive.
> >
> > So, everyone, just make sure you download all TPM breakers before the 
> > law is passed.
> >
> > Not that you'll be able to use the download once the law is passed ...
> >
> > R. Brent Clements wrote, On 05/08/2011 9:43 PM:
> >> just had an ugly thought.  What about all the media I have already
> >> purchased?  If I don't like the license on something, I am supposed to
> >> not use it and return it to where I bought it.  How is this gonna
> >> affect all the stuff I have purchased when there was no laws
> >> preventing me from freely watching them when the rules change?  Can I
> >> get my money back?
> >>
> >> Brent
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, L.D. Paniak
> >> <ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 13:08 -0400, Russell McOrmond wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM, L.D. Paniak  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ridiculous url notwithstanding, can we counter such arguments?  I 
> >>>>> have a
> >>>>> problem with proof by eminent authority (Dr. Ficsor said I was
> >>>>> right...), but I guess that is how legal debates work.
> >>>>   Take a look at: http://billc32.ca/faq#wipoguide
> >>>>
> >>>>   It is important that people recognise that Dr. Mihály Ficsor is not
> >>>> so much an expert, but a lobbiest from outside of Canada.   He was
> >>>> actively involved in pushing forward as a Hungarian the policy
> >>>> laundering position put forward by the USTR on technological measures.
> >>>>
> >>>>   He lost that debate in 1995/1996 when the vast majority of WIPO
> >>>> countries rejected the inclusion of "access controls" and a
> >>>> prohibition on tools and services that can be used to circumvent these
> >>>> access controls.  He has then lobbied globally claiming that he won
> >>>> the debate, and that WIPO had actually meant to say what he promoted
> >>>> and never got.
> >>>>
> >>>>   He is relying on the short attention span of people, as well as the
> >>>> fact that politicians are generalists and won't know that what he says
> >>>> of the history is incorrect.
> >>>>
> >>>>   It is pretty  dishonest what he is doing, but it is part of the
> >>>> political debate to claim that up is down, left is right, and that
> >>>> "We've always been at war with Eastasia".
> >>>>
> >>>>   Hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>> It isn't even necessary to take your word for it.  I invite the
> >>> interested to have a look at the good Dr. Ficsor's rebuttal of Geist's
> >>> arguments:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.iposgoode.ca/Ficsor-TPMs-and-Flexibility.pdf
> >>>
> >>> If you can wade through the gratuitous overuse of boldface typeset,
> >>> Oxford English Dictionary citations, non-sequitur comments (did I miss
> >>> something?) on the Oscars and New York brothels and belief that his
> >>> "good faith" interpretation of the issue at hand trumps all others, you
> >>> can come to your own conclusions.
> >>>
> >>> And what is a "wealth destroyer" anyway?  I've never heard that one
> >>> before.
> >>>
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