[kwlug-disc] Google Hangouts (now?) a Skype killer?

[unsolicited]

[Wasn't doubting you Khalid, only saying not what I'm experiencing, even 
now.]

[Pardon the length below. Most readers should skip it.]

# dpkg -l | grep skype
# arch
x86_64
# apt-get install skype
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Building dependency tree
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I don't think so, Tim!


On 13-09-25 06:09 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> For months after I upgraded, I could not get Skype to work.
>
> But, now it is installed, as evidenced by:
>
> # dpkg -l | grep skype
> ii skype 4.2.0.11-0ubuntu0.12.04.2 client for Skype VOIP and instant
> messaging service
> ii skype-bin:i386 4.2.0.11-0ubuntu0.12.04.2 client for Skype VOIP and
> instant messaging service - binary files
>
> And:
> # arch
> x86_64
>
> Here are the commands I used to get it to installed, from my shell history:
>
> aptitude install skype (lots of dependencies and conflicts)
> apt-get install skype (works)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:31 PM, unsolicited<unsolicited at swiz.ca>  wrote:
>
>> [THANK YOU KHALID! But no joy - same thing. And this was even with treat
>> recommends as required turned off, in aptitude when I tried before.]
>>
>> Let us know how it goes (Linux / Hangouts) please.
>>
>> I've only barely poked my finger in Hangouts, once, windows. Not Linux yet.
>>
>> But I have been playing with quite a number of sip softphones, both Linux
>> and Windows, recently. Linux seems to consistently do better than Windows,
>> strangely, but all have been rather ... broken.
>> (And Win XP better than Win 7, even.)
>>
>> [Strange only in that device wise Windows has often been more solid than
>> Linux. Not this time. Software wise it's not strange that Linux does
>> better.]
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13-09-25 02:03 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
>>
>>> I hate Skype for no other reason that the amount of spam I get with it.
>>>    Everyday there's some hot girl from some country I've never heard of
>>> begging to be my friend.  I know some of you guys get this in real life
>>> all
>>> the time, but in Skype it's annoying!
>>>
>>> So I welcome a replacement for Skype.
>>>
>>> Installing the Hangout extensions now, thanks for pointing them out.
>>>
>>> On 25 September 2013 13:44, unsolicited<unsolicited at swiz.**ca<unsolicited at swiz.ca>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   Google talk (xabber) notifications have now been showing up in Hangouts
>>>> on
>>>> my Android phone.
>>>>
>>>> I see in Chrome (extension and app) that Hangouts can now call landlines.
>>>> (A for fee service with Skype.)
>>>>
>>>> Has Hangouts become a Skype killer?
>>>> (Have never been able to install Skype on my 64-bit Kubuntu 12.04 LTS -
>>>> it
>>>> wants to add a zillion i386 packages / remove a bunch of current ones.
>>>> I'm
>>>> hoping my next install, probably SuSe will avoid that. Thus has Google /
>>>> Chrome / Hangouts become more ubiquitous than Skype?)
>>>>
>>>> Does YouTube and Hangouts now overlap? To what extent?
>>>>
>>>> Not suggesting it be used for kwlug meetings, but it seems that people
>>>> are
>>>> using Hangouts for meetings / presentations, not just video calls.
>>>>
>>>> Convergence?
>>>>
>>>> (Avoidance of Skype / MS / 3rd party on ChromeBooks?)