[kwlug-disc] KWLUG and CASL (and Mailman)

[unsolicited]

People can opt out any time they want, links are in each message. We do 
not pursue them in any way.

None of this is commercial in the sense that the organization is 
promoting anything in particular, except perhaps education and 
awareness. Seldom is there every only but one (commercial) way offered - 
even then, we're not the beneficiaries of any such transaction.

Nor are we paid to promote anything. I was going to say nor are we 
sponsored ... but ... what if we were? e.g. Space. Pizza. Hmmm.

In the end, it's a hobbyists / enthusiasts group, not advocating 
(non-free). We do have a snail-mail address, every such list does. 
listowner something or other.

Any request to be removed we would honour.

IIRC a rejected reply comes back with whom to contact. (listowner)

Even if we charge membership, it would not be for purchase of a product. 
I am minded of not being able to charge for a distribution, but can 
charge a small fee for the media. Although perhaps not explicitly 
stated, I would hope that no more than something similar would apply here.

Thanks for bringing this up, I didn't know it was out there.


On 14-06-18 01:45 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote:
>
> My feeling is that the Canadian anti-spam legislation does not apply
> to KWLUG mailing lists, but I do not know this for sure.
>
> Background:
> http://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home
>
> Some thoughts:
>
> KWLUG has two mailing lists of note: kwlug-announce and kwlug-disc.
> The only commercial solicitations on these lists that I can think of
> are:
>
> - People offering to sell things on kwlug-disc
> - Information about the FLOSS Fund
>
> I believe that almost everybody on kwlug-announce has consented to
> being on the list:
> - Many people signed up during our meetings
> - Some people subscribed on their own
> - A few people gave verbal consent to be on the list (and then we
>    subscribed them)
>
> The problem is that we do not have paperwork to explicitly track how
> people got on the list.
>
> A similar situation exists for kwlug-disc, except that there are very
> few people who were signed up during meetings.
>
> I do not think I should be too concerned about this, but maybe I
> should be. KWLUG does not actually exist in the eyes of the
> government; we are not registered as a nonprofit or a business or
> anything else. So it is not clear who gets sued/arrested if some
> proprietary software troublemaker raises a stink about getting KWLUG
> emails.
>
> One oddity about the legislation is that organizations are supposed to
> put snailmail addresses in their messages. We don't have a snailmail
> address, so unless a member wants to handle this I do not know what to
> do.
>
> I am thinking I should probably make mention of CASL in the next
> kwlug-announce message, but I am not that enthusiastic about purging
> the list and starting again.
>
> One of the confounding factors is that Mailman sucks for complying
> with this legislation. As far as I know, it does not have good ways to
> track when and how people are subscribed. Its unsubscribe
> functionality also sucks. Thus people are going to proprietary
> solutions like Mailchimp which rewrite all links in a message with
> tracking information.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Paul
>
>
> --
> http://pnijjar.freeshell.org
>
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