[kwlug-disc] my freedns.afraid.org venture

Sun Mar 23 14:21:48 EDT 2014

Thanks for this, I will try again,  taking your advice, getting set up on a
neighbours wifi.

"And, you may be getting sideswacked by equipment wanting to listen on port
80 itself, and even though it listening is turned off, doesn't pass it
through."
This would not surprise me as I did have something like this working
before, but on a router that has since been replaced. It was so easy then.

Cheers

John

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:

> Hey John.
>
> When you get back to trying this again ...
>
> Forget freedns for the moment, worry about names later. Stick with IPs.
>
> Couple possibilities to recognized: With some equipment you can't test
> yourself - trying to go out and back to yourself gets route short cutted
> and it falls over. (So in your case, you'd have to ssh, vpn, or something
> out to another computer and then come back in to yourself. Or put a laptop
> onto a neighbour's wi-fi for a few minutes, or something.) And, you may be
> getting sideswacked by equipment wanting to listen on port 80 itself, and
> even though it listening is turned off, doesn't pass it through.
>
> So, for testing, have your web server or ssh (all you'd need to see is a
> login prompt) listen to some other port than 80. Put a computer on the
> other side of your router and see if it can get to your server. Then repeat
> walking the computer out towards the internet. Including the rogers gateway
> itself (the other side testing of which is the internet itself).
>
> Summary:
> - ignore names until you get by IP working.
> - you might not be able to test from inside back to inside that its
> working.
> - use a different port than 80 for testing.
> - work from the server computer out to the internet, from the other side
> of each router in the chain.
>
>
>
> On 14-03-22 08:36 PM, John Kerr wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Thank you for your help. but after working on this all day I can only
>> deduce that
>> 1. somehow i started off on the wrong foot
>> 2. There is something wrong with the router _- possible
>> 3. freedns.afraid.com is being blocked by rogers
>> 4. something else
>> So I deleted my domains at freedns.afraid.org
>> I will try again another day.
>>
>> there was a short comedy film on TV where the actor got his lines mixed up
>> and soon within minutes the actor and director and crew did not know if it
>> was:
>> "where is the stuff stashed?"
>>                   OR
>> "where is the stash stuffed"
>>
>> That is where i am now.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi John - what he (Bob) said.
>>>
>>> You have at least two issues:
>>>
>>> 1. Trying to map a textual name to your public ip of that moment.
>>>
>>> You'll know you have success when you 'nslookup {your name}' give as a
>>> good number, not something in the private address space.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
>>>
>>> (Bob's stuff applies.)
>>>
>>> 2. Once getting to that -IP- ('cause dns will to a textual to ip
>>> translation for you), accessing a service (port) through the router at
>>> that
>>> IP. e.g. Using a web browser, it assumes http services are offered at
>>> port
>>> 80 of an IP, unless told otherwise.
>>>
>>> You'll know you have success (don't need 1. above for this), by going to
>>> http://{your public ip address of that moment}. You can find your public
>>> ip address at the time by going to http://www.myipadddress.com (lots of
>>> other ways to get the same info).
>>>
>>> - note: You must do this port forwarding on your Roger's gateway (if not
>>> just a modem) AND EACH SUBSEQUENT ROUTER WITHIN YOUR HOME. So on both the
>>> Rogers gateway AND your DIR. And each router points to the next one - so,
>>> e.g. {Rogers gateway:80} -> {DIR:80}, {DIR:80} -> {computer:80}
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> Lots of people do what you're doing - e.g. anyone calling ssh'ing or
>>> openvpn'ing in to home, so definitely doable. Although, in my case, I use
>>> no-ip.com or dynsns.org - didn't know about afraid.org or dnsdynamic.org
>>> ,
>>> thank you both for that!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-03-22 03:14 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
>>>
>>>  -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Hi John: Is the address of the router the external (WAN) address, or
>>>> the internal (LAN) address? nslookup tells me
>>>>
>>>>   $> nslookup tardisxl5.mooo.com Server:          192.168.1.1 Address:
>>>>
>>>>> 192.168.1.1#53
>>>>>
>>>>> Non-authoritative answer: Name: tardisxl5.mooo.com Address:
>>>>> 99.224.254.150
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If the 99.224.254.150 address is your external (WAN) address then the
>>>> problem is most likely punching a hole in your firewall for Web
>>>> services (port 80) to get from that external address to the internal
>>>> host providing the Web service. Look for "NAT translation" or
>>>> "Games/Application Sharing" on the firewall.
>>>>
>>>> If 99.224.254.150 is not your external WAN address then something else
>>>> is wrong. If tardisxl5.mooo.com is not the domain name you're trying
>>>> to acquire then I don't understand the .conf file you provided.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I use dnsdynamic.org, which uses the dyndsn2 protocol. My
>>>> ddclient.conf file looks like this:
>>>>
>>>>   # Configuration file for ddclient generated by debconf # #
>>>>
>>>>> /etc/ddclient.conf
>>>>>
>>>>> protocol=dyndns2
>>>>>
>>>>> # use=if, if=eth0 use=web, web=myip.dnsdynamic.com        # get ip
>>>>> from server.
>>>>>
>>>>> server=www.dnsdynamic.org login=bjonkman at sobac.com password='really
>>>>> secret password' lpr.dnsd.me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, KWLUG haxors, there are no useful services at that address, or
>>>> login/PW combo.
>>>>
>>>> - --Bob.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-03-22 02:54 PM, John Kerr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been working on this for too long with nothing to show for
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't get freedns.afraid.org service to see past my router. I am
>>>>> on Rogers as an ISP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried pointing to a computer on my my lan as well as
>>>>> pointing to the router name as well. same result I can ping the
>>>>> server but the IP that comes back is that of the router. when I try
>>>>> to hit a web page it hangs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried setting up freedns.afraid .org a the dns service and it
>>>>> tells me the host is invalid. It is a dling DIR-655 Here is my
>>>>> inadyn.conf file this one is trying to hit the name of my router
>>>>>
>>>>> -username --password --update_period_sec 300 --forced_update_period
>>>>> 21600 --alias alias
>>>>> TardisXL5.mooo.com,Tnh6Q1JGSDFYU3pRaFh0YXVlSWE6MTEzMTY2MzI=
>>>>> --background --dyndns_system default at freedns.afraid.org --syslog
>>>>>
>>>>> that is it, exactly as shown -- less login info Any ideas? Apache
>>>>> is working. Thanks in advance I had another file trying to point at
>>>>> the webserver on my network that did not work either.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>          Phone: +1-519-669-0388
>>>> SOBAC Microcomputer Services             http://sobac.com/sobac/
>>>> http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/    http://sn.jonkman.ca/bobjonkman/
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