[kwlug-disc] More news on ownCloud

[B.S.]

This thread minds me of the thread Bob Day initiated some while back 
when he tried (switched?) to something (I forget which) Debian based.

In essence, his question / confusion was "How do I install a package?" 
in the sense of his being used to going to a site, downloading an RPM, 
click install, and be done with it. (Much like windows users downloading 
software and looking to click Setup.exe.)

It took him a bit, and he's an experienced Linux person, to understand - 
it's all in the repository. aptitude install <package> ... done. [Or 
your favourite version thereof.]

So, excellent observation about Universe. There are assumptions and 
downsides to 'the Debian way' too. [But pry it out of my cold ...]

Doesn't mean the RPM way can't also be used, .debs can be downloaded and 
gdebi (gui even) run on them. Heck, even RPMs can too.

Let alone using PPAs, be they Ubuntu hosted or elsewhere. (mondoarchive 
comes to mind as an example of an elsewhere hosted and well maintained one.)

Sounds like OwnCloud users may be less irritated if OwnCloud had its own 
PPA. (And does, for all I know. No doubt their main web page positively 
screams the issues of the OP, and provides 'better practices' instructions.)

As Darcy points out ... caveat emptor.

... particularly after one ignores the warning screams listed when they 
enable Universe. (-:


On 14-11-08 01:01 AM, Darcy Casselman wrote:
> Technically, those people packaged it for Debian.  Ubuntu just pulls in
> everything from Debian and calls it "universe."
>
> I ran into this years ago when I was self-hosting Wordpress.  Eclipse is
> something like version 3.8 in the repos when 4.4 is current.  It'd be nice
> if someone was actually maintaining crap in universe, but too frequently it
> just languishes.
>
> That said, this is The Way It's Always Been.  Ubuntu explicitly doesn't
> maintain universe.  It's right there in the description.  "Community
> maintained software, i.e. not officially supported software."
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
>
>> Of course, it isn't just ownCloud. Nobody knows how many other vulnerable
>> packages exist in Universe where the packagers have abandoned the software
>> and the developers haven't taken the responsible step of requesting its
>> removal.
>>
>> This article seems particularly biased against ownCloud. It neglects to
>> mention that the only supported repository is the SUSE build servers (which
>> is what I demonstrated in my presentation), and that other people took it
>> upon themselves to package it for Ubuntu and then failed to maintain it.
>>