[kwlug-disc] What is all this about systemd?

[Chris Craig]

Correction - X.Org started as a fork of XFree86 due to licencing
issues in early 2004.


On 19 November 2014 12:10, Chris Craig <kwlug.org at ciotog.net> wrote:
> Is this in any way similar to when everyone jumped ship from XFree86
> to X.Org? That happened without a significant amount of disruption,
> IIRC. Or OpenOffice to LibreOffice, etal.
> In the case of XFree86 and X.Org, they were both existing projects, I suppose.
>
> On 19 November 2014 11:56, Khalid Baheyeldin <kb at 2bits.com> wrote:
>> Potentially.
>> But Debian is not just a code base. It is a vast repository of
>> software packages with people maintaining them.
>> Forking the software is easy. Forking the maintainers and community is
>> much harder.
>>
>> There is also uselessd, which is a fork of systemd, keeping its good
>> parts (unit files, fast booting, ...etc.), while removing the
>> objectionable parts (binary log, replacing all daemons there are,
>> ...etc.)
>>
>> I would rather see systemd forked and the Debian developers supporting
>> "modern-init" as a virtual package stuff depends on, rather than see
>> Debian itself forked.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM,  <chaslinux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Won't this just mean a fork of Debian?
>>> Blog: http://www.charlesmccolm.com/
>>> Sent from my cell phone.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Khalid Baheyeldin <kb at 2bits.com>
>>> Sender: "kwlug-disc" <kwlug-disc-bounces at kwlug.org>
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:28:35
>>> To: KWLUG discussion<kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>> Reply-To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] What is all this about systemd?
>>>
>>> This is troubling ...
>>>
>>> No one would mind systemd if it was replaceable by other init systems,
>>> and applications did not ask for it specifically, but "an init
>>> system".
>>>
>>> Now, even this is not possible in Debian ...
>>>
>>> Ian Jackson's Debian General Resolution to prevent init system
>>> coupling fails to pass
>>>
>>> http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/11/19/0826247
>>>
>>> --
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>>
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>> Khalid M. Baheyeldin
>> 2bits.com, Inc.
>> Fast Reliable Drupal
>> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.
>> Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. --  Edsger W.Dijkstra
>> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. --   Leonardo da Vinci
>> For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple,
>> and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken
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