[kwlug-disc] Does anyone want to take over Thunderbird?

[Raymond Chen]

Gmail has a 'Forwarding and POP/IMAP' tab on its settings. And I found my
IMAP is enabled. Maybe I did it long time ago. I think both IMAP and POP
are obsolete and against productivity, standard or not. I'm disabling the
IMAP and see what happens...

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:57 PM, B.S. <bs27975 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> > Google has IMAP and SMTP interfaces. I haven’t done any real testing but
> I’m
> > pretty sure they’re adhering to the RFCs.
>
>
> They don't.
>
> The very presence of labels instead of real folders demonstrates that.
>
> I'm not saying labels don't make sense, but not being RFC, and developers
> wanting to stick with RFCs, not moving target googleisms, means that
> non-google use of gmail will always be problematic to at least some extent.
>
> > Well you could argue that for any MUA; what constitutes right? There are
> dozens
> > of workflows, ways to implement filtering, quoting, spell/grammar check,
> > flagging…
>
>
> Right, but what I was referring to there were your comments regarding user
> interface, especially across platforms.
>
> However, when the underlying e-mail store / platform doesn't adhere to
> standards, non-google implementations will always be beat.
>
> Not saying I disagree with your usage / presentment comments, merely, be
> fair. It's not that others can't get gmail right, it's that gmail doesn't
> play nice. That is indisputable.
>
> > gmail web interface. Millions more use Outlook and are happy.
>
> I think more likely millions and gmail users just use what's in front of
> them, however it appears or works today, and lives with it.
>
> > It’s us, the unreasonable ones who want the ultimate MUA who are
> frustrated.
>
>
> Mmm, not entirely. The basic point about this thread is ... it (tb) WAS/is
> working (sufficiently well) / ain't broken ... leave it be, return to its
> original purpose, don't abandon it. E-mail is a solved problem, stop
> (mozilla) from morphing it into something else. E-mail is what it is, leave
> it be (mozilla).
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andrew Kohlsmith (mailing lists account) <aklists at mixdown.ca>
> > To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 1:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Does anyone want to take over Thunderbird?
> >
> >>  On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:31 PM, B.S. <bs27975 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>  Be 'fair' ... gmail is non-standard, and a moving target. Thus only
> > google will 'get it right' (for their definition of right, ==
> > non-standard), never mind across platforms, like web / chrome / android /
> > chromecast. And, thus, the web interface.
> >
> > Google has IMAP and SMTP interfaces. I haven’t done any real testing but
> I’m
> > pretty sure they’re adhering to the RFCs.
> >
> >>  By definition, then, others will never be able to 'do it right.’
> >
> > Well you could argue that for any MUA; what constitutes right? There are
> dozens
> > of workflows, ways to implement filtering, quoting, spell/grammar check,
> > flagging…
> >
> > Getting the email from there to here is trivial. The trouble is all
> about how to
> > present it to the user and allow the user to manipulate it. Thunderbird
> was
> > pretty good. I’m suriving with Mail.app. Thousands (millions?) are fine
> with the
> > gmail web interface. Millions more use Outlook and are happy.
> >
> > It’s us, the unreasonable ones who want the ultimate MUA who are
> frustrated.
> > Everyone else just learns to adapt and deal with it.
> >
> >
> > -A.
> >
> >
> >
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