[kwlug-disc] Test 01

[Bob Jonkman]

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Yahoo Mail is broken. Making the list conform to Yahoo's requirements
breaks the list functionality as well, specifically, that it is no
longer possible to reply to the originator of the message since that
address is no longer in a standard mail header.

The "From" address should be that of the person who wrote the message,
the "Sender" is the mailing list, which resends to subscribers on behalf
of the originator. The "Reply-to" address could be set by the originator
of the message. If "Reply-to" is not set by the orginator then the list
can optionally set it to the list address, but for proper conformance
the list should not change the "Reply-to" address if it receives one.

In practice, many recipients' mail clients don't have an option to reply
to the list address if "From" and "Reply-to" are both set to the
originator's address, and so recipients will inadvertently reply to the
orginator, which is not what anyone usually wants. So, many mailing list
admins set the "Reply-to" address to that of the list. Sadly, most
mailing list software will blindly overwrite a "Reply-to" set by the
originator of the message, but many mailing list admins (including me)
find that non-conformance acceptable. The only mailing list software
that seems to do this properly is Listserv (but please let me know if
there are others).

Paul, please put the list configuration back the way it was. Pandering
to Yahoo's whims just prolongs its death throes.

- --Bob.



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On 2016-04-01 09:51 PM, B.S. via kwlug-disc wrote:
>> ________________________________ From: Paul Nijjar via
>> kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> To: KWLUG Discussion
>> <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> Cc: Paul Nijjar <paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca>
>> Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:33 PM Subject: [kwlug-disc] Test
>> 01
>> 
>> 
>> I have changed the list information to comply with the advice
>> here: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html . Now all
>> mails appear to be coming from the mailing list, which is
>> irritating but may be better. We shall see whether this improves
>> mail delivery to yahoo addresses (which appear to be affecting a
>> lot of people).
> 
> 
> Well, that's just irritating. I've always found messages coming
> from the individual, not the list, rather useful. Bummer.
> 
> I don't believe I've ever had problems receiving kwlug messages on 
> this, my Yahoo, account.
> 
> However, perhaps this explains why I didn't get a copy, as I
> usually do, of a message I posted to the list within the last week
> or so. However, someone replied to it (quoting it), so it did land.
> Just not back to me. It was in my sent folder - I merely didn't get
> the useful sanity check of a copy of my own post.
> 
> Is it possible that the problem is sending from Yahoo, not
> receiving to Yahoo? (Which would appear to be consistent with why
> you sent a test message.) ?
> 
> I have seen this once before a month or more back (sent message, 
> didn't get a copy), but have been regularly receiving message
> before and after and since.
> 
> Myself, I'd be willing to ban Yahoo from kwlug, it it's the only 
> provider giving kwlug grief.
> 
> Given the link you posted, and the above, perhaps the area to look
> at isn't in the area of sending address - it would be easy enough
> to set up an auto-forwarder from another address. Certainly I have
> never received a sending error message from Yahoo on posts, as the
> link implies.
> 
> 
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