[kwlug-disc] Confirmation of meeting announcement

[B.S.]

> but at least there is a workaround.


But is it a reasonable workaround? I'm not so sure. As Bob points out. [Granted, Bob finds the issue quite irritating and he's quite passionate about it. Probably not unreasonably so.]

OTOH, if it's DKIM that's 'breaking', presumably the irritant is going to increase as more and more providers adopt stricter rules. This isn't going to be limited to yahoo.

Granted, all lists and contact type forms will break, where the message author isn't from the sending server, but presumably this is and will be a cross-internet issue that will need some sort of universal solution. (Just not there yet.)

In the mean time - there was some concern and passion some years back about unintended publication of one's e-mail address to the wide web, via replied to list messages that don't obfuscate the e-mail address being responded to.

Your changes, Paul, bring that issue back to the fore, as you are now munging headers to cause the original author to be cc'ed on the message.

Could you remove such cc'ing please?


>________________________________> From: Paul Nijjar <paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca>
>To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> 
>Cc: B.S. <bs27975 at yahoo.ca>
>Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 6:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Confirmation of meeting announcement
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>There are two issues I am aware of: 
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>- List members on Yahoo addresses do not get their own messages, and I have reason to believe (based on bounce messages) that other Yahoo account holders do not get some of these messages either. There have been a few unsubscriptions due to excessive bounces. (I have reinstated those I have caught recently.) 
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>- People using other email services (notably Gmail) are having messages from Yahoo addresses end up in their junk mail boxes with the message "Why is this message in Spam? It has an address from yahoo.ca but fails yahoo.ca's required tests for authentication." I have only received one such report so far, but one report is enough.
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>My feeling is that both of these are related to DKIM, as Khalid states and the link I posted previously states. I am fighting with other problems right now, and do not think that there is much we can do to fix this situation without throwing all of our Yahoo members under the bus. I agree that this mailing list configuration is irritating, but at least there is a workaround.
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>On Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:07 PM, B.S. via kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Khalid Baheyeldin via kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>>To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> 
>>>Cc: Khalid Baheyeldin <kb at 2bits.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:38 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Confirmation of meeting announcement
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>>>I got it just fine.
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>>>Yahoo has been overly restrictive in the past few months.
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>>>Not only to this list, but in general.
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>>>On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Paul Nijjar <paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>> I have been experiencing weirdness with the KWLUG lists lately. I am not
>>>> getting my own emails sent to the list. That is not a tragedy, but I do not
>>>> know whether anybody else is getting my emails either. Could somebody
>>>> confirm that my message to kwlug-announce went through? It shows up in the
>>>> list archives, but I do not trust that.
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>>Anyone have a real answer as to what's really going on?
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>>To the sender, it doesn't appear the message went through - because they don't see a copy come back to them from the list. Nor is there any error message. (So Paul's link doesn't feel to me like an exact answer for what's going on.)
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>>Yet the list gets it, so the message was accepted by Yahoo for forwarding. And it is the list that does the sending to the group, not the user (Yahoo). (Back to the sending user.)
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>>And other messages from the list come to the user, so was accepted for receiving by Yahoo.
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>>So I don't really get what's wrong / how/why it is not working for Yahoo senders, some of the time. It feels like inconsistent application by the Yahoo servers themselves, and thus not something anyone can do anything about - Yahoo has to fix their servers, it seems.
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>>[FWIW - I do yahoo email via the web, or could do it via thunderbird, so it's yahoo smtp/imap, and thus Paul's link wouldn't seem to apply. I suppose I could set up another address at something like openmailbox.org and auto-forward it or something.]
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