[kwlug-disc] Meeting formats

[spooky jim]

B.S., in my honest opinion, if KWLUG turned into 'let's all watch a
video about this thing and talk about it!' -- I wouldn't go. I'd watch
the video myself and maybe read some of the YouTube comments. I feel
like if this became the preferred 'presentation' style, group
attendance would drop dramatically. I think
YouTube/Vimeo/MediaGoblin/other is a great resource for tutorials on
Stuff(tm), but it's probably not great as a primary resource for KWLUG
for the following reason:

*People are lazy.* If you give me the opportunity to watch the
presentation from the comfort of my own home, why should I go out?

I personally like the current presentation style, and found last
meeting to be excellent in several respects: the presentations were
great overviews without going into a ton of technical detail, they
provided applicable knowledge, some were funny, they were engaging.
Paul's presentation in particular I found to be very enjoyable.

> No reason to kibosh freely available material in favour of forcing
> everyone to reinvent the wheel every time.

I hardly think that making a presentation on a topic that one is
knowledgeable or interested in would be considered 'reinventing the
wheel.' Compiling and over-viewing information from multiple sources
and experiences is a really important part of improving and sharing
information for the betterment of the community. I would think that
providing a link to a related YouTube video as a part of a "Further
Reading" section at the end of a presentation would be appropriate, but
not as the entire presentation itself.

> Material preparation is hard and onerous, and not everyone's cup of
> tea.

Agreed - doing things is *hard*. People who don't want to do things,
don't do them. Just because you don't want to make a presentation
however, does not mean others don't as well. If you really want to
share something, I feel like you can put a little effort into doing so.


TL;DR: I'm with Paul on this, I think YouTube KWLUG would be incredibly
boring and not worth attending. I like the current presentation style.

- 
Regards,
Keefer C. Rourke

Honours Computer Science (B. Comp.)
University of Guelph
Website: https://krourke.org
Email: keefer.rourke at gmail.com
Alt. Email: krourke at mail.uoguelph.ca 



On Tue, 2016-08-16 at 09:16 -0400, B.S. wrote:
> Paul, I think you have missed the point.
> 
> If what you suggest were true, there would be no interest in K-W LUG 
> presentations at all. Nor would there be so much duplicated content
> for 
> the same subject out there, vs the suggested 'I found this one
> really 
> useful.' And everyone would have come away from every topic with a 
> complete understanding of that topic and have completely implemented 
> every detail of that topic. And K-W LUG wouldn't exist. Yet it does.
> 
> Every question and barrier to implementation would be answered, by
> your 
> statement. Everyone will already have watched every bit of material,
> as 
> everything matters, and we all have infinite time. None of which, I 
> suspect, is completely correct or K-W LUG wouldn't exist. Yet it
> does.
> 
> You wouldn't be regularly begging for presentations. And this thread 
> about meeting formats wouldn't exist. Yet it does.
> 
> Please re-affix your impassive, neutral, moderator, whatever the
> group 
> wants, hat. Rather than killing an idea, when ideas have been asked
> for 
> as they have run out, out of the gate. If the thought has merit, the 
> group will respond - if it doesn't, it won't. But that is theirs to
> say.
> 
> No reason to kibosh freely available material in favour of forcing 
> everyone to reinvent the wheel every time. Material preparation is
> hard 
> and onerous, and not everyone's cup of tea. Especially as 
> non-presentation-professional, extra-curricular, volunteers. Or this 
> thread wouldn't exist, yet it does.
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/16/2016 01:10 AM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Because watching videos during a meeting is boring? Why not just
> > sit
> > at home in our collective underwear and watch videos on our own?
> > Does
> > the post-discussion really add that much?
> > 
> > Having said that, if you or others would like to try this approach
> > then we can schedule whatever people offer.
> > 
> > - Paul
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 06:30:12PM -0400, B.S. wrote:
> > > 
> > > Perhaps it doesn't even need to be a 'presentation' - which can
> > > be a
> > > lot of work. Any reason it couldn't be a favourite YouTube link
> > > of
> > > 10 - 15 minutes, appending a 5 - 10 minute Q&A surrounding why
> > > the
> > > 'nominator' liked it / how they found it useful / how they
> > > applied
> > > it / show & tell of the .conf file they ended up with, or
> > > whatever?
> > > 
> > > A quick example I can think of is DNS. Any such presentation
> > > probably wants to start of with a quick overview of what it is /
> > > why
> > > it matters, and probably needs some spiffy diagrams to go with
> > > it.
> > > Which I'll guess is already present in some YouTube link
> > > somewhere.
> > > The tail end of which might include hosts files and static dhcp
> > > entries - the .conf of which could then be shown to demonstrate
> > > how
> > > one's home computing life got happier / simpler.
> > > 
> > > There's so much content out there, onerous to duplicate / why
> > > reinvent the wheel - could be leveraged?
> 
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