[kwlug-disc] Secure IM news

[Chamunks]

Thanks for the clarity on what you meant.  Yes, I think a hybrid would be
nice.  I've always hoped for something that would make IRC more efficient
for my mobile device but alas I never find anything.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:49 AM locklin.jason at gmail.com <
locklin.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:39:56 +0000
> Chamunks <chamunks at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Still sounds really nice but doesn't address the main issue that no one
> > will want to install a battery drain.  Which is the reason they went
> with a
> > push architecture.
>
> Actually, both Chatsecure and Matrix/Riot run okay without push
> infrastructure. If you install Riot from F-droid, it polls on pre-defined
> intervals, while the Google play version uses push. The chatsecure guys
> have also pioneered a lot of optimizations for making polling much easier
> on
> batteries. Obviously, push systems still work better.
>
> In the end, that’s why I mention that p2p is a special case of federation.
> There are already people who run a XMPP or Matrix server for exactly one
> account on the local machine (and so are effectively operating p2p),
> while (most) others rely on shared servers.
> Federation allows p2p where the hardware is adequate, while not forcing
> it on those with fluid network connections and weak batteries. Hopefully,
> those problems will be "solved" at some point in the future, and any
> good federated system will be future-proofed for going fully p2p.
>
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 6:20 PM Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The nice thing about a federated system is that p2p is just a special
> > > case, and one can become the other when the hardware makes it
> realistic.
> > > The chatsecure guys were talking about this a while back where they
> > > suggested that every device could be its own xmpp server, perhaps
> using tor
> > > for persistent routing and privacy.
> > >
> > > On November 26, 2016 3:54:07 PM EST, Chamunks <chamunks at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >A fully p2p system is the best system, but it would have to be based
> on
> > > >something like DHTs so that offline messaging could work;
> > > >
> > > >This would be ideal except on mobile battery is at a premium so good
> > > >luck
> > > >telling people they need to contribute cycles to a dht
> > > >
> > > >On Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 1:24 PM Nick Guenther <nguenthe at uwaterloo.ca>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Le 26 novembre 2016 12:25:40 HNE, "B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> a
> écrit
> > > >:
> > > >> >> it would be ideal that we try and find a system that they can't
> > > >have
> > > >> >> one centralized location to squat in and collect our metadata.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Does that not exist already in Tor?
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Only if all the servers you use are .onion hidden services. If you
> go
> > > >from
> > > >> exit nodes to talk.google.com you made as little progress as using
> > > >Tor to
> > > >> access Facebook.
> > > >> A fully p2p system is the best system, but it would have to be based
> > > >on
> > > >> something like DHTs so that offline messaging could work; this was
> > > >tox's
> > > >> idea, but I do not trust their code quality one bit; maybe they've
> > > >gotten
> > > >> better in the years since their founding.
> > > >>
> > > >>
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