[kwlug-disc] Skype (replacement)

[CrankyOldBugger]

For the small amount of SMS messaging I do, I've been using Signal.
Approved by Edward Snowden!  And, ironically, approved for use by the US
Senate...  I find it works well for what I need.

Unfortunately at work we are heavily shackled to Skype for Business, or
whatever MS is calling it this week..


On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 02:21 Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

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> Hubert wrote:
> > - Wire doesn't seem to have any official place for community
> > discussion
>
> True, and a complaint I made to them on Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/KWVoIP/status/934882104374067206
>
> As a result I got an invite to the "Wire World Group", started by Siim
> Teller of Wire.  Connect with me on Wire (I'm @BobJonkman) and I can
> add KWLUGgers to the group too. There's also a KWVoIP group, and we
> can start our own KWLUG group.
>
> - --Bob, who intends to spin up a Matrix instance any day now.
>
>
>
> On 2017-11-28 09:49 PM, Hubert Chathi wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:26:29 -0500, Keefer Rourke
> > <mail at krourke.org> said:
> >
> >>> Matrix has been open and federated from the beginning, whereas
> >>> Wire only recently open sourced their server code, and as far
> >>> as I know, they still don't support federation.
> >
> >> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Wire has
> >> laid plans publicly for self-hosting and federation, and is *now*
> >> fully open- source; for whatever reasons (I suspect code-quality
> >> or readiness to publish since it was in beta until recently) it
> >> was kept behind closed doors. What makes software philosophically
> >> superior depending on when it was open-sourced? Linux didn't
> >> start out as FLOSS for instance.
> >
> > The point is that, at least to me, Matrix *feels* more like a open
> > source community project, whereas Wire *feels* more like a
> > centralized project that allows other people to tinker with their
> > code.  It's just the impression that I get, whether not it's the
> > truth. It's reflected not only in when it was open-sourced (the
> > fact that it took a long time for Wire to open their code (and the
> > fact that their server code still doesn't have build instructions)
> > makes it seem like they don't "get" open source), but also in the
> > fact that, for example:
> >
> > - Matrix includes links to alternative clients, libraries, servers,
> > etc. - Matrix has published fairly detailed specifications for how
> > clients talk to servers, and how servers talk to each other - Wire
> > doesn't seem to have any official place for community discussion
> >
> > Having been in the Matrix community for a while, and not having
> > any experience with Wire, I'm probably biased, and given that it's
> > still the early days of Wire's open sourcing, things may change in
> > the future, but that is the impression that I get of the two
> > projects.
> >
> >> I think we're comparing apples to oranges here...
> >
> >>> Looking at Wire's features page, it looks like it has several
> >>> limitations that Matrix does not have.  For example, it only
> >>> supports 128 members in a group chat (one (unencrypted) Matrix
> >>> room I'm in has over 11,000 members, and the largest encrypted
> >>> Matrix room I'm in has 172 members), which means that Wire
> >>> can't be used as an IRC replacement,
> >
> >> Skype and most other video-first platforms don't support that
> >> many users in a group at a time. Wire makes for an acceptable
> >> Skype replacement, but I never said anything about replacing IRC?
> >> What's wrong with IRC? Long live IRC!
> >
> > Sure, if your only aim is to replace Skype, then Wire is probably
> > fine. I personally would rather, where possible, to have one app
> > that can handle multiple uses.  Matrix gives me everything from 1:1
> > communication and larger group chats.  I can even join the IRC
> > channels that I want to with it.  But then again, I don't do many
> > 1:1 chats, so the deficiencies in that area of Riot's 1:1 chat UI
> > don't affect me much.
> >
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