[kwlug-disc] Meeting Monday: A User Journey; VoIP Security (April 2018)

[Mikalai Birukou]

There is a Russian proverb: "Слово не воробей, вылетит -- не словишь.", 
with direct translation: "Speech is like a bird, once released to fly, 
can't be caught back."

In general, corporations' trackbacking of words, via asking everyone to 
be silent, reminds me Soviet times. I think Chinese, Cuban and folks 
from lawless places sense the same smell. You see, hats, titles, names 
can be different, but behavior, and subsequent damage has the same shape.

Let's go into particulars.

If there was a concern about trade secrets, in this area under Common 
Law (to where you, or your parents and ancestors migrated, as a better 
place) already has that trade secrets are lost when spoken, and if there 
was no NDA signed beforehand, listener is not bound by obligations to be 
silent. Listener may have a tape as an enhancement of one's memory, if, 
of cause, speaker said ok to be taped beforehand. Word "beforehand" is 
important here, tying it to the proverb.

All other forms of IP are open source (patents, trademarks, even 
copyright). You can view it, but can't use it yourself. Hence, there is 
nothing to hide here. By the way, I think copyright of the recording 
belongs to the one who did the copy, but lawyer can be consulted.

If the trackback asks to withheld information about common elements used 
by public, and if there are privacy/security/safety concerns raised, 
withholding such information is similar to withholding a medicine in a 
midst of epidemic outbreak.

We should treat issues with tech the way we treat health issues. After 
all, this newly grown nervous system of our society is an organism. In 
such situations, if we put some little feudal lord's interests above 
those of public, we turn this nice land into Soviet, or Chinese, or 
Cuban land. For those thinking that its ok to do so, I humbly recommend 
considering migrating the land of ancestors and denouncing US/Canadian 
citizenship, to ensure that there is no way back. This consideration 
alone may change your mind about societal tech health issues.

I rest my case.

Cheers,

Mikalai


On 2018-04-11 10:43 AM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> I understand that the audio has leaked because I posted it Monday
> evening. I still request that it not leak further.
>
> We originally did get permission to post everything, but the presenter
> had second thoughts afterwards.
>
> - Paul
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:28:09AM -0400, Ron Singh wrote:
>> Dang, shame that.
>>
>> I was hoping to review the last 15 minutes of the Telium presentation where
>> some decent insights were voiced thanks to some really great questions from
>> the members.
>> I don't know the member's name, but I shared his frustration with the
>> extended "be afraid, be very afraid" 30+ minutes preamble from the Telium
>> guy, surely didn't leave much time for nuts and bolts coverage of
>> mitigation measures.
>>
>> At this point I am hopeful that some member had downloaded the podcast and
>> might accidentally forward it to me directly:-)
>>
>> My knee-jerk reaction would be to spread the audio to any member who
>> requests it(if I had it) as I think Telium should be aware of the nature of
>> KWLUG's talks and the fact that sessions are recorded to be placed online
>> for members' access. I am still feeling a pissy about the fact that some
>> much valuable time was spent doing the extended "be afraid" segment and the
>> recurring bashing of FreePBX, deservedly, or not.
>>
>> Loved this April session though, Sandeep's presentation was really quite
>> well-done.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ron Singh
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