[kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for newbies

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Fri Jan 19 16:25:04 EST 2018 

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I think this is why Virtual Machines were invented!

Whenever I do a demonstration of an installation, I use VirtualBox.
This lets me set up a base environment, create a snapshot, practice
the installation, then return to the snapshot to do it over again.

A bare metal install for an OS will provide lasting results -- you can
take home the laptop with a shiny new OS on it. But a bare metal
install doesn't really offer any advantages over a VM for a
demonstration that's primarily concerned with procedure or technique.

OTOH, it always nice to work on a Thinkpad...

- --Bob.


On 2018-01-19 03:57 PM, Ron Singh wrote:
> Yup, I will be at the Feb meet.
> 
> I think it might be wise to get the X220 to you before the meeting
> so that you can do a dry run of the install and make sure all is
> good before doing the live install at KWLUG's Feb meet? I am in
> Waterloo and can meet up wherever to hand off the laptop.
> 
> I wonder, since most folks really interact with a PC's desktop
> environment and browsers, would it be prudent to mebbe stuff a 500G
> HDD in the laptop so that you could have multiple installs of
> Linux, simply for a presenter to showcase the pros/cons of various
> desktop environments?
> 
> I cannot justify(afford) storage any greater than a 128G SSD or a
> 500G 7200RPM WD Black HDD, and I think a 128G SSD might be tight if
> one wanted around 4 installs to show off Xfce, Mate, Cinnamon,
> Gnome3, or LXDE etc.
> 
> Rambling on a bit further, I wonder if I should not just leave the
> X220 without whoever will be doing any sort of presenting and who
> might be reluctant to mess with their own hardware, perhaps that
> person would benefit from a beater laptop?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ron Singh "in transit, via mobile comm device"
> 
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM, James Kelsh
> <freshmeadow1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Ron, it will help! That way I font have to overwrite my
>> existing Ubuntu installation!!!!! Will you be at the February
>> meeting? We can talk there.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jim, I can lend an X220 laptop with 8G and an SSD(to reduce
>> install time and make the presentation go a bit faster) for the
>> bare-metal install if this help in anyway.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ron Singh "in transit, via mobile comm device"
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:14 AM, James Kelsh
>> <freshmeadow1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would be happy to do it in March. I am thinking to include
>>> installation on bare metal from a dvd, USB stick, and maybe
>>> dual booting and installing from an iso in a VM too. Let's talk
>>> further at the February meeting. Jim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:24 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That would be fantastic. Could you slot your presentation in
>>>> March?
>>>> 
>>>> - Paul
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:18:31PM -0500, James Kelsh
>>>>> wrote: Hello all. I have been away for a while because I
>>>>> started teaching at
>>> Conestoga College and depending on what school you are in it
>>> takes over your life. Anyway, the beginner sessions sound like
>>> a great idea! I know I could still benefit as I do not work
>>> with Linux but have been using it for some time.
>>>>> I would be happy to give a short talk on how to install
>>>>> Linux on a
>>> laptop.
>>>>> I did give 2 talks in the past, one on Knoppix and the
>>>>> other on
>>> converting an OEM installation of Windows 7 into a virtual
>>> machine using disk2vhd and running it under Ubuntu.
>>>>> Just a thought. Anyway, hope to see everyone at the
>>>>> February meeting. Jim Kelsh
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Chamunks
>>>>>> <chamunks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What if, in order to help improve on attendance we do a
>>>>>> beginners
>>> portion and a deep dive portion of the KWLUG rather then just
>>> exclusively the 2 hour format where its all heavy from start to
>>> finish we try to have a beginner section from 7 where we cover
>>> some light stuff and then go into a deep dive in the second
>>> half.  This way we can bring more rookies into the fold.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:25 AM Andrew Sullivan Cant
>>>>>>> <
>>> acant at alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> Robert Elder was also running a Linux basics meetup
>>>>>>> last year, but
>>> has
>>>>>>> not run any events yet this year: 
>>>>>>> https://www.meetup.com/Intro-to-Linux-Command-line-C-Programming/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
He also has some Linux how to material on his own website:
>>>>>>> https://www.robertelder.org/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 16/01/18 22:06, Joan Currie wrote: I'd like that
>>>>>>>> as well.   Cheers, Joan.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Bob Jonkman
>>>>>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think a presentation on GNU/Linux file systems is a
>>>>>>>> great idea! Always good to go back to basics
>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --Bob
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On January 16, 2018 3:34:55 PM EST, Chamunks
>>>>>>>> <chamunks at gmail.com <mailto:chamunks at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If its a noobie meetup covering the Linux filesystem
>>>>>>>> and
>>> things
>>>>>>>> like that could really help get peoples head around
>>>>>>>> things
>>> its
>>>>>>>> logical to us veterans but it might help to discuss
>>>>>>>> the differences between the major distros and some of
>>>>>>>> the
>>> history etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:17 AM CrankyOldBugger 
>>>>>>>> <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 on the edX course...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 at 03:08 Sandeep Johri 
>>>>>>>> <sandeepjohri at rogers.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sandeepjohri at rogers.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd also suggest joining the free Introduction to
>>> Linux
>>>>>>>> course on EdX.  I found it helpful.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sandeep
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Sandeep Johri
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 15/01/18 01:01 PM, peter_melse at gto.net 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:peter_melse at gto.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> DevOps talk suggestions:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> configuration management (puppet, chef, ansible,
>>> salt,
>>>>>>>>> etc.) automated deployment (satellite, the
>>>>>>>>> foreman) patch management (aptly, landscape, and
>>>>>>>>> the rhel equivalents?)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for
>>> newbies
>>>>>>>>> *Date:* Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:18:10 -0500 *From:*
>>>>>>>>> <jvj at golden.net> <mailto:jvj at golden.net> *To:*
>>>>>>>>> kwlug <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> *Reply-To:* KWLUG
>>>>>>>>> discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Linux & Linux admin for newbies
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In last week's meeting an attendee was self
>>> described
>>>>>>>>> as a Linux newbie and explained that Linux admin
>>>>>>>>> was an interest. As I identified with the "newbie"
>>>>>>>>> aspect I gave the attendee a short list of topics
>>>>>>>>> to study. This list (somewhat modified) follows -
>>>>>>>>> and shows
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> I am somewhat dated. And I invite the members to
>>>>>>>>> copy and and add to this list to help other new
>>>>>>>>> newbies who might subscribe
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> these discussions.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *IX == UNIX (history) (with reference to Tim's
>>>>>>>>> recap of last week.)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Command Line Input aka CLI Terminal Screen Shell &
>>>>>>>>> BASH Shell BASH scripting tar ssh gnome unity gnome
>>>>>>>>> vs unity text editors: vi & vim & [other]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Linux admin (aka DevOps) I have nothing to add here
>>>>>>>>> - and am looking for
>>> topics.
>>>>>>>>> (hint: I go back to fsck)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards JohnJ
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>>
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