[kwlug-disc] Fuming and tor-rorists

[Khalid Baheyeldin]

What irks me out more than the masks thing, is the travel advisories. The
PHAC listed only
China and Iran at the time, and there were daily cases coming in from
Italy, Egypt and the
USA.

On March 10th, I contacted the local health unit, saying that this is
unacceptable, and they
said: sorry, we follow the advice from PHAC. So I contacted PHAC and got no
reply at all.

There were travelers arriving at Pearson on TV and they said they were not
asked anything
nor given any advice to do anything ...

This is what made things much worse.

Epidemiologists say there are two rules: a) doing something is better than
doing nothing,
and b) acting fast is key.

I think Canada was too lax with travel restrictions.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:24 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

> Glimpse of doctor speaking: https://youtu.be/rleNXGo9_O8?t=45
>
> So:
>
> 1) Government acted like soviets in Chernobyl, except that even less
> excuses are possible now.
>
> 2) Populace notices.
>
> 3) There is "domestic t...ts" designation to use in post-Chernobyl fallout.
>
> Let's remind to ourselves wise words of George (T)Orwell:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EEa0HAqzQ
> On 2020-04-08 8:30 p.m., Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>
> Viruses are very tiny. In fact, that is how they were first discovered: a
> scientist
> who was studying the tobacco mosaic disease macerated infected leaves, then
> passed the solution through a fine filter that prevents bacteria from
> passing through
> (those are made from ceramic or other finely porous material). The
> resulting liquid
> still infected healthy leaves. He concluded that there is a tiny organism
> causing it
>
> Decades later, when the electron microscope allowed seeing things that are
> the
> visible spectrum does not show.
>
> But I agree that masks will help. This particular viruses is produced in
> the respiratory
> tract, and therefore spread by droplets. Even a cloth mask stops some of
> that aerosol.
> Think of a show fence, or droplets absorbed into the cloth. Something is
> better than
> nothing.
>
> Remember the saying: "Perfect is the enemy of good enough".
>
> My wife sewed some unused T-shirts into masks, with a paper clip for it to
> fit on the
> nose, and we use them when we go out.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 8:19 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>
>> It seems that starting from yesterday we should wear masks:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UuJyZA9MCU
>>
>> <fume>
>>
>> No, the laws of physics, chemistry and biology haven't changed. I am
>> having flashes of memory to how soviets were handling Chernobyl. WTF?
>>
>> </fume>
>>
>> Initially argument was that mask won't completely protect. Reminder that
>> 95 in N95 stands for a percentage. Anything infront your face will
>> reduce chances of getting stuff. Its like security in depth, no measure
>> is 100% reliable, but put together, and you are much better off.
>>
>> Now I wonder how much slower virus would have spread, if on March 1st
>> we've heard wear bandanas and leave other masks to medical stuff.
>>
>> First, its more difficult to touch face when in mask.
>>
>> Second, mask is a reminder about new behaviour to yourself and to
>> others, right in the face.
>>
>> Its like security in depth, like additional egress filtering and digital
>> hygiene. Not perfect, but let us go a long way.
>>
>>
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