[kwlug-disc] laptops with Linux preinstalled

Thu Jun 4 14:24:26 EDT 2020

Note that the PiTop laptop is not compatible with the Raspberry 4. You'll need to make some physical changes to the hardware to make it fit. https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/blog/2019/11/23/raspberry-pi-4-laptop

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, at 5:55 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
> I'm really tempted to buy a PiTop laptop (https://youtu.be/X8vCS2mi3ig) but with the new Raspberry Pi 4 8gb model...
> 
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> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 13:29, Jason Eckert <jason.eckert at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Although I've raved about System76 and their Pop!_OS before, I'll echo Jeff's recommendation.
>> Thinkpads are the best hardware on the market right now - they've always had stellar Linux support (it's just official now), and you can't kill them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMilj81s9SI
>> And they run Pop!_OS perfectly well (although I run Fedora on mine now....I've always loved Fedora).
>> 
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>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:18 PM CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> While I think we have a FOSS obligation to support companies like System/76 and Slimbook, I can say that Lenovo has always been a solid name in my experience. No one ever got fired for buying IBM, as the saying goes (even though Lenovo got spun off by IBM years ago..) I have a Lenovo laptop that's maybe 8 years old (made for Windows 7, which I fixed right away), now running PopOS, and it still hums along nicely. I've had to replace the cooling fan a few years ago, and I swapped out the HDD for an NVME drive, and I added more RAM over the years. The new drive and extra RAM really made a difference.
>>> 
>>> Though for the life of me, I can't get Kali to install on it. I've been trying for years... well, that's outside of this discussion..
>>> 
>>> If you do go with a "made for Linux" laptop, please be sure to tell us how it goes for you. I'm sure other folks here are thinking about buying soon too.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 12:57, Doug Moen <doug at moens.org> wrote:
>>>> __
>>>> I'm researching a replacement laptop for my aging Macbook Air.
>>>> 
>>>> We used to live in an era when Macbook Pros were very popular with the open source crowd, and you'd see a lot of these laptops at conferences. I think that is changing. I have personally soured on Apple. I was originally planning to replace my Macbook Air with a Macbook Pro, but now I want a Linux laptop.
>>>> 
>>>> Nowadays, there are many options for buying laptops with Linux preinstalled and officially supported by the laptop manufacturer. Linux on the laptop is now serious business, it is no longer just for hobbyist and homebrew types. Linux laptops can be lighter, have better specs, and at the same time be more upgradeable than Macbook Pros. These are nice developments. Some of these options are quite new. So I will share my research.
>>>> 
>>>> The options I looked at are premium, expensive laptops, generally in the range of $1500-$3000. Think of these as Macbook Pro replacements.
>>>> 
>>>> Lenovo has been Linux friendly for many years, but Tuesday they announced that their entire Thinkpad P series can now be purchased with Ubuntu LTS or Fedora Workstation preinstalled.
>>>> https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certification-to-thinkpad-and-thinkstation-workstation-portfolio-easing-deployment-for-developers-data-scientists/
>>>> 
>>>>  ThinkPad P1 gen2: 15.4" screen, 3.74lb, nvidia GPU, premium specs, lots of ports, webcam shutter, opt. touch screen
>>>> 
>>>> Dell has sold laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled for many years. Notable ones are:
>>>> 
>>>>  Dell XPS 13 model 9300: 13.4" 16:10 screen, 2.65lb, few ports, soldered RAM, opt. touch screen
>>>>  Dell Precision 5550: 15.6" screen, 4.06lb, nvidia gpu
>>>> 
>>>> System76 is an American manufacturer of Linux-only laptops. Jason has previously endorsed their Pop OS distro (an Ubuntu variant), and I'm planning to run Pop OS after seeing Jason's presentation. Notable features are Core Boot (GPL 3 firmware that boots very quickly), and disabling Intel ME in hardware, before the firmware runs. Their laptops are cheaper than the Dell/Lenovo machines mentioned above, at the expense of lower spec hardware in some areas (eg. poor speakers, poor colour rendition, no wifi 6, no thunderbolt, no touch screen). Lots of ports, very repairable/upgradeable.
>>>> 
>>>>  Lemur Pro: 14.1" screen, 2.2lb
>>>>  Darter Pro: 15" screen, 3.6lb
>>>>  Gazelle: 15.6" screen, 4.85lb, nvidia GPU, numeric keypad
>>>> 
>>>> Slimbook is a Spanish manufacturer of Linux-only laptops. They are openly targetting the MacBook Pro. Their laptops seem better speced than equivalent System76 laptops (eg, good speakers, good colour rendition). No wifi 6, no thunderbolt, no touch screen option. Their most notable feature is authentication using an IR webcam and face recognition, like Windows, except for Linux. You can use face recognition to supply a sudo password, for example.
>>>> 
>>>>  Slimbook Pro X: 14" screen, 2.38lb, nvidia GPU
>>>>  Slimbook Pro X 15: 15.6" screen, 3.3lb, nvidia GPU
>>>> 
>>>> The latest Macbook Pros are heavier than the competition, have soldered in RAM, no WIFI 6, no touch screen, otherwise nice specs.
>>>>  Macbook Pro 13.3" screen, 3.1lb
>>>>  Macbook Pro 16" screen, 4.3lb, AMD gpu
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