[kwlug-disc] VPN Traffic

[Doug Moen]

This VPN detection service:
   https://www.ipqualityscore.com/vpn-ip-address-check

reports my residential IP address as a VPN. Other services do not, but now I have another reason to consider when a web site doesn't work for me.

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Francisco Dominguez wrote:
> Maybe they check the PMTU / MTU and make some assumptions… IPSec + GRE can bring things down to 1420 / 1440
> 
> I suspect most other VPN implementations would do the same / similar 
> 
> 
> Francisco 
> fxdoming at gmail.com
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 9:59 AM, CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So just as a bit of information to throw into the pot, my VPN site is in Toronto, so it's not like I'm coming in from Switzerland or some place.  So it could be what Raymond said, but more precise to the actual IP, maybe?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 09:55, Raymond Chen <raymondchen625 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> VPN providers have their nodes in some IP ranges. Not surprised this kind of data is collected like IP geolocation data. 
>>> It sounds a little bit lazy to block access solely by this criteria. Way too many false positives. 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 09:48 Jon Thiele <jthiele at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In the "answering questions for complete strangers.." thread, CrankyOldBugger said:  "I see the problem.. I can't get in whilst my VPN is active.  If I go on the internet without my VPN, I can get in."
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't want to hijack that thread, but I've noticed exactly the same issue with an increasing number of sites.   RBC is one of them.  They refuse to connect to any page other than their home page if you use a VPN.   I phoned them - got to third(!) level technical support and they told me that they now block all VPN traffic.  The very technical person at RBC said they do this because all scammers and fraud only use VPNs.  I explained to them that I use a VPN for increased security and privacy.  She said she completely understands and she uses VPNs as well, but this was a high level security policy and she didn't see this being changed at all.  I understand their position as well.   Moving money around while hiding your true IP address may indicate something is not quite right.
>>>> 
>>>> So, how do websites know that you are using a VPN?   I currently use the free ProtonVPN product.  I was thinking of paying for their upgraded service but if I can;'t access sites that I use everyday, there doesn't seem to be much sense in doing that... 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone using a VPN service without issues?
>>>> 
>>>> Jon 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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