<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Yes! </div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Like you, we were slavishly adhering to the TOU schedules and found it untenable over time, especially during the C19 days.<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">I confess, I didn't do a deep dive into the costs, I really should look at the Enova tool that Anton kindly mentioned.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Here's my last 24 months #s from Enova, looks like my useage is pretty bursty, not sure how that would play with TOU --<br>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Jul 16, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">30</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">1438.37</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$210.07</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">47.95</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Jun 16, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">31</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">513.52</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$98.76</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">16.57</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">May 16, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">30</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">553.38</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$103.99</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">18.45</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Apr 16, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">29</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">621.93</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$115.51</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">21.45</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Mar 18, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">28</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">627.56</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$114.33</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">22.41</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Feb 18, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">33</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">899.54</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$146.84</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">27.26</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Jan 16, 2025</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">30</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">700.6</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$122.64</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">23.35</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Dec 17, 2024</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">29</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">656.47</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$118.98</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">22.64</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">32</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">636.75</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$114.22</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">19.9</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Oct 17, 2024</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">31</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">550.76</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$103.06</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">17.77</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Sep 16, 2024</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">501.25</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$95.33</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">16.17</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">748.72</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$127.47</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$151.26</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">29.85</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Jun 18, 2024</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">33</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">659.52</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$116.40</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">19.99</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">May 16, 2024</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">30</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">702.7</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$123.38</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">23.42</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$127.57</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">26.54</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">33</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">968.1</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$155.33</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">29.34</td>
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<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">926.52</td>
<td align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">$153.29</td>
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<td height="17" align="left" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans";font-size:x-small">Jan 16, 2024</td>
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</tbody></table>Ron S.<br><br></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 1:44\u202fAM William Park <<a href="mailto:opengeometry@yahoo.ca">opengeometry@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Interesting... opposite of my experience.<br>
<br>
You won't believe the extent I went to save money.<br>
- oven, stove, toaster -- 7pm-7am, weekend<br>
- frying pan, cooking pot, wok -- side-burner of BBQ<br>
- microwave -- never "on-peak"<br>
- washer, dryer, power tools -- weekend<br>
- kettle -- 7pm-7am, weekend, or side-burner of BBQ<br>
- AC -- 7pm-7am, weekend<br>
Still, Tiered was cheaper and more convenient.<br>
<br>
On 2025-08-02 15:20, Ron Singh wrote:<br>
> My clan of 4 did TOU for ages in this big-a$$ed house in Waterloo West, <br>
> but grew weary of being wedded to a prescribed schedule for things like <br>
> laundry, dehumidifier, ironing, baking, etc.<br>
> <br>
> In 2021, we changed to Tiered and after 1 year, found we had an average <br>
> savings of $18/month with TOU for 4 people when compared to Tiered.<br>
> We decided to stick with Tiered due to the convenience. It was during <br>
> C19 lockdown and all that business.<br>
> <br>
> Quality of life was also improved wih Tier I think as we did not have 4 <br>
> people vying for large appliances after 7PM and the racket that ensued.<br>
> Quiet moments after 7PM(post-dinner), we found invaluable and the <br>
> price($220/yr) paid for those moments became insignificant.<br>
> <br>
> Today, even though body count is down to 2 and sometimes 1 or none, the <br>
> temptation to go back to TOU is appealing as the delta between lowest- <br>
> cost times and highest-cost times seems to be expanding.<br>
> <br>
> I will go back to TOU in January 2026 and run that way for a year and <br>
> see how it compares to calendar 2025 as the electrical use will be <br>
> identical in each year.<br>
> <br>
> Ron S.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 10:35\u202fPM Khalid Baheyeldin <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com" target="_blank">kb@2bits.com</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com" target="_blank">kb@2bits.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2025, 15:02 William Park via kwlug-disc <kwlug-<br>
> <a href="mailto:disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">disc@kwlug.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> My pet peeve is "Time of Use" vs "Tiered" price. <br>
> <br>
> No matter how much I try to save by using "off-peak"<br>
> rate with ToU plan, it was always cheaper with Tiered plan. <br>
> <br>
> So, I moved to Tiered plan.<br>
> What's on all the time? Refrigerator and computer. That's it.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Depends on how any people live at home, and what they do.<br>
> In summer, there is the A/C, and dehumidifier.<br>
> Also, for the air not to go stale, there is the furnace fan that<br>
> works 40 minutes every hour.<br>
> Then there is the water kettle for beverages, oven toasters, dryer,<br>
> and on and on and on.<br>
> <br>
> Yes, Tiered plan is cheaper, but not by a whole lot.<br>
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