<div dir="ltr">There is also Ubuntu MicroCloud now, a new kid in town. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 12:39\u202fPM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
> What is the difference between an Incus and a Proxmox?<br>
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Incus is LXC evolved, done right, not snap-ed (i.e. Canonical's snap).<br>
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They say Proxmox can use LXC to run systems not as virtual machines.<br>
In time it'll be Incus, like TOFU with Terraform.<br>
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From a user perspective, Proxmox has nice GUI and clicky interfaces.<br>
In LXC, hence Incus, I ever used five-ish commands. And similar will be<br>
with Incus. Add two more around migrating in upgrades. Proxmox has<br>
some bunches of ready scripts to bring up things like CEPH instances.<br>
Proxmox can be viewed as this higher level, with its own decisions on<br>
that higher level, internally using five commands of lower level, container<br>
and vm handler, if you allow this rhetorical stretch.<br>
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Just found this <a href="https://tadeubento.com/2024/replace-proxmox-with-incus-lxd/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tadeubento.com/2024/replace-proxmox-with-incus-lxd/</a><br>
pointing that with addition GUI (in web) (finally), one may start to use<br>
not only in terminal.<br>
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Additionally, there is IncusOS <br>
<a href="https://stgraber.org/2025/11/07/introducing-incusos/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stgraber.org/2025/11/07/introducing-incusos/</a><br>
which may be compared to Proxmox OS (?), and a whole OS setup <br>
considerations.<br>
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>>> We need a "+1" button for some of the emails on this list.<br>
>> Paul, can count me in with Incus talk, for whenever next year.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/docs/main/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/docs/main/</a><br>
>><br>
>> It'll be on admin-user level of Incus, similar to what I did with LXC and<br>
>> Docker. Recent experience, bruises in upgrade-in-recovery ... not<br>
>> recommended scheduling, has enough simple things to share.<br>
>><br>
>>>> From recent experience:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If you trying to replace/attach/mess with disks, and you insist, and you<br>
>>>> use -f for it, and ZFS still doesn't let you, ... , then just step away<br>
>>>> from the keyboard. Have some epistemic humility towards yourself.<br>
>>>> Blindly taking out fdisk knife may increase one's problems hundred-fold.<br>
>>>> Just step away, have coffee, reload the most dynamic part of the system<br>
>>>> -- yourself.<br>
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