<div dir="ltr">I get where you\u2019re coming from, but the points about dependency management and stability really describe modern Fedora as well. The old \u201cRPM dependency hell\u201d issues are long gone (decades gone!). DNF\u2019s resolver, modularity, and the project\u2019s packaging policies make dependency management every bit as reliable as what you get in Debian-based systems.<br><br>And while Fedora does move faster than an Ubuntu LTS, major upgrades are smooth and predictable nowadays; the disruption risk isn't zero, but it's so small that its mere existence would be the subject of conjecture among theoretical physicists for decades. In my own experience, it's been zero for a decade and a half ;-)<br><br>I\u2019m not trying to spark a \u201cmy distro could beat up your distro\u201d flame war here (we\u2019ll leave that to the Arch folks) \u2014 I\u2019m just pointing out that modern Fedora is nearly indistinguishable from the Debian-style stability that folks often assume it lacks.<br><br>So the differences today are more about project philosophy and cadence than about actual stability or packaging reliability.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 at 20:09, Khalid Baheyeldin <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com">kb@2bits.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:51\u202fPM Chris Frey <<a href="mailto:cdfrey@foursquare.net" target="_blank">cdfrey@foursquare.net</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 05:49:01PM -0500, Jason Eckert wrote:<br>
> The reason I prefer this distribution very much mirrors why Linus does -<br>
> when you use it for a while, you'll appreciate how the Fedora project<br>
> ensures that everything is both seamless and flexible. For Linus, it's easy<br>
> to run his latest kernel without the distro making it difficult. For me,<br>
> it's easy to run new things that take a year or two to make their way into<br>
> other distros, and it just works perfectly.<br>
<br>
"everything is both seamless and flexible"<br>
<br>
Can you give a more detailed example?<br>
<br>
It's been a long time since I tried Fedora, and coming from Debian,<br>
things felt subtly "wrong". :-) But I could have very well missed some<br>
winning underlying philosophy.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">To extrapolate a bit here on what Chris Frey alluded to ... </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Those of us who use a Debian based distro with a rich well stocked repository </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">can't imagine how we can go back to non-Debian based distros.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Dependency management is a solved problem, and stability trump everything else. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">With Xubuntu (desktop) and Ubuntu Server (on headless machines), I choose</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">stability over having the latest stuff available, and therefore I go with the LTS </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">release. This means if I install, say, 24.04, I know that I will have PHP 8.3 and</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">will stay with it for at least 2 years until the next LTS release. I can stay for up</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">to 5 years if I wanted. The idea here is that major upgrades are less frequent, </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">and there are less disruptions from moving to one version of an application</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">to the next. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Fedora by design strives for the latest stuff, and therefore disruptions are </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">expected. That is in addition to being non-Debian. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">As for snaps, Xubuntu and Ubuntu Server work fine without them (with the </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">exception of LXD it seems).</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Once you get out of the mindset that Ubuntu = GNOME, you will realize</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">the appeal of the Ubuntu vast repositories, without snaps or GNOME. </div></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Khalid M. Baheyeldin</div></div>
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