<div dir="ltr">Re-reading this again, I should add some more clarification - Kinoite isn't a Flatpak-only distro - you can use Flatpak for extra software, but you can also use Toolbox (via rpm-ostree layering) to add additional packages, or Podman for containerized apps.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:53, Jason Eckert <<a href="mailto:jason.eckert@gmail.com">jason.eckert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root filesystem, much like modern macOS), so updates replace the whole OS as a snapshot rather than patching files in place. This makes updates safe and rollback-able, reducing the chance of a broken system. Even if versions match, the update mechanism and system stability model are different from regular Fedora.<br><br>2. You can\u2019t normally add packages to the immutable base; instead, you typically use Flatpak for extra software. If you rollback, the base OS reverts to the snapshot state, so any base-layer packages added after that snapshot are lost, but Flatpaks and containerized tools remain.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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Questions...<br>
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1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel versions, but after
few updates. So, what's the point of "atomic" when it's updated
like the regular?<br>
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2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite? And, if you "revert" to
old version of OS, then what happens to the new packages?<br>
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<div>On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12, Plasma
6.5.4.</div>
<div>This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.</div>
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<div>On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc
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<div>(Double posted, so reply to your list)</div>
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<div> I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE and recent
kerne<b>l</b>. So, the benchmark was <b>Kubuntu</b> 25.10
(v6.4 KDE, v6.17 kernel).</div>
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<div> 1. Started with <b>Mint</b> + "<span style="font-family:monospace">apt install kde-full</span>".
Result was comparable to Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14
kernel. Makes sense, since Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS.</div>
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<div> 2. Then, tried <b>LMDE</b> + "<span style="font-family:monospace">apt install kde-full</span>".
I was surprised to get a rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12
kernel. I was expecting an old KDE, even older than Mint
version.</div>
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<div> 3. So, decided to try <b>Debian</b> <b>testing</b> +
KDE. I got v6.5.4 KDE (latest) and v6.17.12 kernel. Not bad.</div>
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<div> Right now, <b>Debian testing</b> is compiling v6.12.62
and v6.18.1 kernels for Raspberry Pi Zero 2W. We'll see how
it goes.</div>
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<div> To those using Debian testing, how would you rate its
stability? Is it suitable for daily PC?</div>
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