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So, I guess, "Toolbox" is their version of "/usr/local/". I'm
installing Kinoite now... we'll see how it goes.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-12-27 21:57, Jason Eckert
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<div dir="ltr">Re-reading this again, I should add some more
clarification - Kinoite isn't a Flatpak-only distro - you can
use Flatpak for extra software, but you can also use Toolbox
(via rpm-ostree layering) to add additional packages, or Podman
for containerized apps.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:53,
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<div dir="ltr">1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root
filesystem, much like modern macOS), so updates replace the
whole OS as a snapshot rather than patching files in place.
This makes updates safe and rollback-able, reducing the
chance of a broken system. Even if versions match, the
update mechanism and system stability model are different
from regular Fedora.<br>
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2. You can\u2019t normally add packages to the immutable base;
instead, you typically use Flatpak for extra software. If
you rollback, the base OS reverts to the snapshot state, so
any base-layer packages added after that snapshot are lost,
but Flatpaks and containerized tools remain.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at
21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc <<a
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<div> Questions...<br>
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1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel
versions, but after few updates. So, what's the point
of "atomic" when it's updated like the regular?<br>
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2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite? And, if you
"revert" to old version of OS, then what happens to the
new packages?<br>
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<div>On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12,
Plasma 6.5.4.</div>
<div>This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.</div>
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<div>On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park
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<div>(Double posted, so reply to your list)</div>
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<div> I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE
and recent kerne<b>l</b>. So, the benchmark was <b>Kubuntu</b>
25.10 (v6.4 KDE, v6.17 kernel).</div>
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<div> 1. Started with <b>Mint</b> + "<span
style="font-family:monospace">apt install
kde-full</span>". Result was comparable to
Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14 kernel. Makes
sense, since Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS.</div>
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<div> 2. Then, tried <b>LMDE</b> + "<span
style="font-family:monospace">apt install
kde-full</span>". I was surprised to get a
rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12 kernel. I was
expecting an old KDE, even older than Mint
version.</div>
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<div> 3. So, decided to try <b>Debian</b> <b>testing</b> +
KDE. I got v6.5.4 KDE (latest) and v6.17.12
kernel. Not bad.</div>
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<div> Right now, <b>Debian testing</b> is compiling
v6.12.62 and v6.18.1 kernels for Raspberry Pi Zero
2W. We'll see how it goes.</div>
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<div> To those using Debian testing, how would you
rate its stability? Is it suitable for daily PC?</div>
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