<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title></head><body><div>FYI, /usr/local is writeable on Kinoite, so you can use it in the normal way, if you want.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Dec 28, 2025, at 4:34 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>So, I guess, "Toolbox" is their version of "/usr/local/". I'm
installing Kinoite now... we'll see how it goes.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-12-27 21:57, Jason Eckert
wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAG+C2Af0EQkTgbbrgt0vU+MzY=2K5HAM9gguppMd78ZoWWKCcw@mail.gmail.com"><div dir="ltr">Re-reading this again, I should add some more
clarification - Kinoite isn't a Flatpak-only distro - you can
use Flatpak for extra software, but you can also use Toolbox
(via rpm-ostree layering) to add additional packages, or Podman
for containerized apps.</div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote qt-gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:53,
Jason Eckert <<a href="mailto:jason.eckert@gmail.com" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">jason.eckert@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div>1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root
filesystem, much like modern macOS), so updates replace the
whole OS as a snapshot rather than patching files in place.
This makes updates safe and rollback-able, reducing the
chance of a broken system. Even if versions match, the
update mechanism and system stability model are different
from regular Fedora.</div><div> <br></div><div> 2. You can\u2019t normally add packages to the immutable base;
instead, you typically use Flatpak for extra software. If
you rollback, the base OS reverts to the snapshot state, so
any base-layer packages added after that snapshot are lost,
but Flatpaks and containerized tools remain.</div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at
21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>>
wrote:</div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div>Questions...</div><div> <br></div><div> 1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel
versions, but after few updates. So, what's the point
of "atomic" when it's updated like the regular?</div><div> <br></div><div> 2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite? And, if you
"revert" to old version of OS, then what happens to the
new packages?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12,
Plasma 6.5.4.</div><div>This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park
via kwlug-disc wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-m_-7985591823043908070m_-3408785592137107778qt"><div>(Double posted, so reply to your list)</div><div><br></div><div>I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE
and recent kerne<b>l</b>. So, the benchmark was <b>Kubuntu</b> 25.10 (v6.4 KDE, v6.17 kernel).</div><div><br></div><div>1. Started with <b>Mint</b> + "<span class="font" style="font-family:monospace;">apt install
kde-full</span>". Result was comparable to
Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14 kernel. Makes
sense, since Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS.</div><div><br></div><div>2. Then, tried <b>LMDE</b> + "<span class="font" style="font-family:monospace;">apt install
kde-full</span>". I was surprised to get a
rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12 kernel. I was
expecting an old KDE, even older than Mint
version.</div><div><br></div><div>3. So, decided to try <b>Debian</b> <b>testing</b> +
KDE. I got v6.5.4 KDE (latest) and v6.17.12
kernel. Not bad.</div><div><br></div><div>Right now, <b>Debian testing</b> is compiling
v6.12.62 and v6.18.1 kernels for Raspberry Pi Zero
2W. We'll see how it goes.</div><div><br></div><div>To those using Debian testing, how would you
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