<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">On Sun, May 31, 2026 at 2:09\u202fPM Gordon Dey <<a href="mailto:gordon.dey@happydeys.ca">gordon.dey@happydeys.ca</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2026-05-30 19:25, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
> The LEAF is a so-so car though. It does not have battery heaters at all,<br>
> and its range is very limited.<br>
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Fascinating. My 2012 leaf most certainly DOES have a traction battery <br>
heater which cuts at -15. Car has reliably started and driven almost <br>
every day these 14 years around here. Even the February morning that <br>
dropped to -35.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">That is good to know.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">There are plenty of used ones in Montreal for sale.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">And their winters are harsher, so it is a good city car.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div>The issue is the range (depending on the use case, more below).</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Also, from what I was told, it did not have pre-conditioning of the battery</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">prior to charging, but they added that in 2026.</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
The poor 24 KW battery is down to maybe 50% now. Good enough for around <br>
town, but not London or Toronto.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Exactly ...</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Here is the background.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">A family member commutes to the GTA several days a week. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Her gasoline car was overdue for replacement, and around 5 months ago, she</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">got a used EV. The Leaf was not an option because of the range. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">The used 2021 Mustang Mach-E fit the bill. In winter she had to use only</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">the heated seat and heated steering wheel, but not the regular heaters</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">because it cuts into the range. That model has resistive heaters, not </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">a heat pump as some later years have (though not sure how much of a </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">difference this will make).</div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Her energy bill dropped to about 25 to 30% of what she was paying,</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">even before the stupid war. </div><br><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Another family member is looking at EVs. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">The 2026 Nissan fits the bill nicely, but it is very expensive.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">She is considering a Mach-E as well, since there are not much options with</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">good range, other than Tesla (which is annoying with no buttons, all touch</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">screen, ...etc).</div></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br><br></div></div>