<div dir="ltr">I think LG is the worst and has the most visibility right now, especially with the recent "driver/software install" actually being used to serve ads - that's a Windows issue as well, but the public backlash was swift.<br><br>The whole "we own the glass" and "we own your living room" is pretty dystopian and their attitude is horrible - and they're saying it out loud!<br><br>The scary thing is ALL Smart TVs collect and sell data on you - ACR is basically a normalized standard at this point. LG is just getting all the PR on it, and the Gamers Nexus video was great because they used exploits to actually decrypt the traffic and see what it's capturing and storing... which is even more disturbing. Most Smart TVs won't let you use your own SSL certs, or get that low level, so you can't actually see what it's transmitting.<br><br>RTINGS has a couple of good articles and a video on this:<br><a href="https://youtu.be/IvFu343KNek">https://youtu.be/IvFu343KNek</a><br><a href="https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/research/smart-tv-data-privacy">https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/research/smart-tv-data-privacy</a><br><br>I'm actually in the market for new TVs and I am excluding Samsung and LG on principle. The TV will never connect to the internet, only be used for HDMI to a Linux NUC to run all the software.<div>Some TVs like TCL have an Input option right on the remote, or you can default it to the input as it powers on to skip the smart crap. I'll be looking at those first - happy to take suggestions.<br><br>Jason<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 8, 2026 at 2:14\u202fPM Doug Moen <<a href="mailto:doug@moens.org">doug@moens.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div>All LG appliances are internet connected surveillance devices at this point. I refuse to allow the brand into our house now. AFAIK they haven't put cameras into their stove, washing machine or dryer yet, but they do sell fridges with cameras.</div><div><br></div><div>The only connection permitted to our TV is via HDMI cable.</div><div><br></div><div>You would think it would be safe to connect an LG computer monitor to a computer via HDMI cable, but LG has used this as another opportunity to inject malware (if you are running Windows, that is).</div><div><a href="https://x.com/wexosu/status/2078183359335874940" target="_blank">https://x.com/wexosu/status/2078183359335874940</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, Sep 8, 2026, at 4:51 AM, Gary Walsh via kwlug-disc wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_6873392178970031189qt"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">216,000,000 Spy TVs | The LG Smart TV Problem</div><div><a href="https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div><div dir="auto">Gary Walsh</div><div dir="auto">Sent with Tuta, the secure & ad-free mailbox.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>kwlug-disc mailing list</div><div>To unsubscribe, send an email to <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc-leave@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc-leave@kwlug.org</a></div><div>with the subject "unsubscribe", or email</div><div><a href="mailto:kwlug-disc-owner@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc-owner@kwlug.org</a> to contact a human being.</div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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