[kwlug-disc] Debian "testing" -- not bad

[Jason Eckert]

1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root filesystem, much like modern
macOS), so updates replace the whole OS as a snapshot rather than patching
files in place. This makes updates safe and rollback-able, reducing the
chance of a broken system. Even if versions match, the update mechanism and
system stability model are different from regular Fedora.

2. You can’t normally add packages to the immutable base; instead, you
typically use Flatpak for extra software. If you rollback, the base OS
reverts to the snapshot state, so any base-layer packages added after that
snapshot are lost, but Flatpaks and containerized tools remain.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

> Questions...
>
> 1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel versions, but after few
> updates.  So, what's the point of "atomic" when it's updated like the
> regular?
>
> 2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite?  And, if you "revert" to old
> version of OS, then what happens to the new packages?
>
>
> On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:
>
> I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12, Plasma 6.5.4.
> This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc wrote:
>
> (Double posted, so reply to your list)
>
> I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE and recent kerne*l*.  So,
> the benchmark was *Kubuntu* 25.10 (v6.4 KDE, v6.17 kernel).
>
> 1. Started with *Mint* + "apt install kde-full".  Result was comparable
> to Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14 kernel.  Makes sense, since Mint is
> based on Ubuntu LTS.
>
> 2. Then, tried *LMDE* + "apt install kde-full".  I was surprised to get a
> rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12 kernel.  I was expecting an old KDE, even
> older than Mint version.
>
> 3. So, decided to try *Debian* *testing* + KDE.  I got v6.5.4 KDE
> (latest) and v6.17.12 kernel.  Not bad.
>
> Right now, *Debian testing* is compiling v6.12.62 and v6.18.1 kernels for
> Raspberry Pi Zero 2W.  We'll see how it goes.
>
> To those using Debian testing, how would you rate its stability?  Is it
> suitable for daily PC?
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