[kwlug-disc] kwlug-disc_kwlug.org Digest, Vol 14, Issue 57
Stephen Palmateer
stephen.palmateer at gmail.com
Fri Jan 22 09:34:43 EST 2010
What about simply making OpenStreetMap.org the FLOSS fund candidate? I
didn't see this suggestion in the thread below...but I can't imagine that it
hasn't been tabled yet.
Thanks for the links on how to contribute to relief/aid using OSM. I was
scheduled to travel to Port Au Prince on Feb. 10th, but my humanitarian work
has been postponed due to the recent events. Using OSM I can still
contribute to my organization's team that was in situ when disaster struck.
hooray,
Stephen Palmateer
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> 1. Re: WAS: USB hard drive mount / Electrical (Bob Jonkman)
> 2. FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti relief fund (Chris Frey)
> 3. Re: FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti relief fund
> (unsolicited)
> 4. Re: FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti relief fund
> (Chris Frey)
> 5. Re: FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti relief fund
> (unsolicited)
> 6. Haiti relief and FLOSS (Richard Weait)
> 7. Re: FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti relief fund
> (Oksana Goertzen)
> 8. Re: Haiti relief and FLOSS (Richard Weait)
> 9. Did you read Richard's article in the Toronto Star?
> (Insurance Squared Inc.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:28:34 -0500
> From: Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] WAS: USB hard drive mount / Electrical
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID: <4B58AAE2.2050408 at sobac.com>
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> The ground and voltage pins on a USB connector are slightly longer than
> the data pins, so that as you insert the USB connector into the
> computer's socket, stable voltage is available before the data pins
> connect. So, it's supposed to be completely hot-pluggable. Similar to
> a computer that powers up, but only activates its circuitry when the
> power supply's "power good" line indicates everything is ready to go.
>
> --Bob (who just read Andrew Kohlsmith's treatise on USB
> hot-pluggability, and is reconsidering the whole idea of posting this
> message)
>
>
>
> Charles M wrote:
> >> So it's the order. Turn on, plug in, no go. Plug in, turn on, works.
> >>
> >
> > Glenn's question reminded me of one of my own. While USB drives are
> > suppose to be plug and play, it seems to me a bad idea to be putting
> > anything in the USB port that already has electricity going to it.
> > It's almost like pulling memory out without unplugging the system
> > unit, it may not appear to hurt the system, but the system still has
> > electricity running through it, and damage could be done...
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> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:59:48 -0500
> From: Chris Frey <cdfrey at foursquare.net>
> Subject: [kwlug-disc] FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti relief
> fund
> To: kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
> Message-ID: <20100121205948.GA3900 at foursquare.net>
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> Hi,
>
> I hope folks will forgive this co-opting of the FLOSS fund just this once.
> I realize this is an exception to the rules, but this is an exceptional
> case, and I figured it was at least worth nominating, even if we decide
> in the end that personal donations are a better idea. Either way is good
> with me.
>
> I nominate a Haiti relief fund, specifically the Red Cross, for
> February's FLOSS fund.
>
> It is possible to donate online:
> http://www.redcross.ca/article.asp?id=000043&tid=016
>
> - Chris
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:40:06 -0500
> From: unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti
> relief fund
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID: <4B58C9B6.7010802 at swiz.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> I mean no disrespect, I disagree this is a valid kwlug floss fund
> candidate.
>
> I don't disagree the worthiness of the cause. There will always be
> worthy causes.
>
> As you point out, people can contribute in other ways than the floss fund.
>
> It's another slippery slope here, for the floss fund.
>
> Chris Frey wrote, On 01/21/2010 3:59 PM:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I hope folks will forgive this co-opting of the FLOSS fund just this
> once.
> > I realize this is an exception to the rules, but this is an exceptional
> > case, and I figured it was at least worth nominating, even if we decide
> > in the end that personal donations are a better idea. Either way is good
> > with me.
> >
> > I nominate a Haiti relief fund, specifically the Red Cross, for
> > February's FLOSS fund.
> >
> > It is possible to donate online:
> > http://www.redcross.ca/article.asp?id=000043&tid=016
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:45:33 -0500
> From: Chris Frey <cdfrey at foursquare.net>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti
> relief fund
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID: <20100121214533.GA9893 at foursquare.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:40:06PM -0500, unsolicited wrote:
> > I mean no disrespect, I disagree this is a valid kwlug floss fund
> > candidate.
> >
> > It's another slippery slope here, for the floss fund.
>
> I understand. I was worried about that myself. :-)
>
> Consider it withdrawn.
>
> Thanks,
> - Chris
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:56:56 -0500
> From: unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti
> relief fund
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID: <4B58CDA8.8080409 at swiz.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Now, if you had a FLOSS project that aimed to provide better software
> for relief agencies to deliver their support, or manage their delivery
> of that support, I'm right there with you. e.g. Donation management,
> or transport packing/logistics support.
>
> No different, to my mind, how/why OLPC is worthy.
>
> Perhaps either is arguable, but it's a worthy / viable argument.
>
> Chris Frey wrote, On 01/21/2010 4:45 PM:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:40:06PM -0500, unsolicited wrote:
> >> I mean no disrespect, I disagree this is a valid kwlug floss fund
> >> candidate.
> >>
> >> It's another slippery slope here, for the floss fund.
> >
> > I understand. I was worried about that myself. :-)
> >
> > Consider it withdrawn.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:05:17 -0500
> From: Richard Weait <richard at weait.com>
> Subject: [kwlug-disc] Haiti relief and FLOSS
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID:
> <a768be481001211405q3089d86al6eeb48f489632ce0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Chris Frey <cdfrey at foursquare.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:40:06PM -0500, unsolicited wrote:
> >> I mean no disrespect, I disagree this is a valid kwlug floss fund
> >> candidate.
> >>
> >> It's another slippery slope here, for the floss fund.
> >
> > I understand. ?I was worried about that myself. :-)
> >
> > Consider it withdrawn.
>
> But feel free to contribute to Red Cross or the aid group of your
> choice now. No need to wait until our next meeting.
>
> Red Cross Canada
> http://www.redcross.ca/article.asp?id=000043&tid=016
>
> International Red Cross
> http://www.icrc.org/
>
> Doctors Without Borders (M?decins sans Fronti?res)
> http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
>
> On the other hand, if you DO want to add a Free Software spin, you can
> help in Haiti from your computer. OpenStreetMap is an Open Source,
> and Open Geo Data project. Some of you may have heard of it? OSM has
> been working with relief and rescue groups, international aid groups,
> military groups and corporations to help in Haiti. (Also for the
> current flooding emergency in Skoder Albania)
>
> Military resources and corporations have been flying missions over
> Port au Prince and the region to get up to date imagery of the area.
> These folks have been fantastic about publishing their images in open
> formats and granting access and permission for use by OpenStreetMap.
> OSM volunteers have been interpreting the images and improving /
> updating the map of Haiti. They initially added to the road network
> and marked roads blocked with rubble and fallen bridges. Other
> mappers have been marking refugee camps, fallen buildings, field
> hospitals, reported entrapment locations, aid depots, changes in the
> coastline, damaged piers and other items as requested.
>
> You can help too.
>
> There is a quick video on how to help here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6pBBK1SHh0
>
> You'll find tips in the email following [from Katie F. on OSM-talk]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/New_Mapper
>
> What we've done up until now is digitize streets and features, looked
> for collapsed buildings (less priority now), and for camps (high
> priority now). We used imagery from GeoEye and DigitalGlobe, but the
> resolution was only so good. We now have access to .15 m resolution
> imagery from Google, with their permission, we can trace from in
> OpenStreetMap.
>
> What I'm doing now (and you can do) is going back through what's been
> done in Port-au-Prince and other areas and identifying camps. We
> missed many before, but are apparent in the new imagery.
>
> I am using Potlatch, the web-based editor (the edit tab on the OSM site).
>
> We have a couple video tutorials that might help you with using Potlatch:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6pBBK1SHh0
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oio1jY8WNig
>
> For camps, I am simply drawing them as polygons. Tags I use are:
>
> * tourism = camp_site
> * refugee = yes
> * source = Google
>
> (others on this list may be able to suggest better tags that these,
> but these work)
>
> We can also do cleanup of the existing data, using the new imagery
> (e.g. some roads need to be fixed).
>
> If you have questions, you can e-mail the osm-talk list. Or feel free
> to join us on live chat: http://irc.openstreetmap.org and we can
> answer questions and help you out.
>
> Thanks again for willingness to help out with mapping!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:11:44 -0500
> From: Oksana Goertzen <ogoertzen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] FLOSS fund candidate: Red Cross, Haiti
> relief fund
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID:
> <fefdaa641001211411m5a8e6e75v8c4a55f22b1b091a at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Chris et al,
>
> Maybe it's just better to set up a Haitian Relief Fund independent of the
> FLOSS Fund and on behalf of KWLUG members who contribute,
> send the money to the Red Cross.
>
> I'd be happy to cook up a pot of chili and bring it to one of the meetings
> and have everyone who enjoys a bowl, contribute to the fund. :) Perhaps
> maybe even our new location would facilitate that effort!
>
> -Oksana
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Chris Frey <cdfrey at foursquare.net> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:40:06PM -0500, unsolicited wrote:
> > > I mean no disrespect, I disagree this is a valid kwlug floss fund
> > > candidate.
> > >
> > > It's another slippery slope here, for the floss fund.
> >
> > I understand. I was worried about that myself. :-)
> >
> > Consider it withdrawn.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Chris
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:17:13 -0500
> From: Richard Weait <richard at weait.com>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Haiti relief and FLOSS
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
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> I forgot the "punchline" the "so what" of my earlier email on OSM and
> Haiti relief.
>
> OSM is showing the always updating map with a delay as small as a few
> minutes.
>
> Other OSM volunteers are publishing new and up to date maps in a
> format that can be printed on large paper maps several times per hour.
> Maps compatible with handheld GPS devices are published roughly every
> five minutes. These maps were in use as the first relief teams arrive
> last week. OSM has received thank yous from several outfits and
> people on the ground in Haiti, which is really awesome considering how
> full their hands must be right now. Between the OSM tools and
> volunteers and the multi-disciplinary folks at crisis-mapping,
> requests for map updates and features are flying fast and furious.
>
> If you have any OSM experience, you can help.
>
> If you know anybody from Haiti, and can help them to use the OSM
> tools, it would be very helpful to have their experience identifying
> things, so that they can be named on the map.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:11:11 -0500
> From: "Insurance Squared Inc." <gcooke at insurancesquared.com>
> Subject: [kwlug-disc] Did you read Richard's article in the Toronto
> Star?
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID: <4B58FB2F.1000608 at insurancesquared.com>
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> Did you read Richard's article in the Toronto Star?
>
> Well, not yet because there isn't one - but there should be. If there
> ever was an opportunity to promote the benefits of opensource to the
> public, now's the time. Haiti is all over the news, and Richard, you've
> got a human interest story in openstreetmap. All the techno nerds
> around the world poring over opensource maps, collectively helping the
> people on the ground in Haiti save lives.
>
> It screams, no, demands, a press release. You've got thank you's from
> people on the ground? Stories of people using these practical
> applications, for free? Somehow there has to be a front page story there
> (heck, I'm already more interested than half the nonsense I see on the
> front page most days).
>
> I'd urge you to put something out there. I'd be happy to help however I
> can (if even only proof reading, or faxing, or finding where to send
> this to), but I'd love to see you put something together to get it out
> there publicly.
>
>
>
>
> Richard Weait wrote:
> > I forgot the "punchline" the "so what" of my earlier email on OSM and
> > Haiti relief.
> >
> > OSM is showing the always updating map with a delay as small as a few
> minutes.
> >
> > Other OSM volunteers are publishing new and up to date maps in a
> > format that can be printed on large paper maps several times per hour.
> > Maps compatible with handheld GPS devices are published roughly every
> > five minutes. These maps were in use as the first relief teams arrive
> > last week. OSM has received thank yous from several outfits and
> > people on the ground in Haiti, which is really awesome considering how
> > full their hands must be right now. Between the OSM tools and
> > volunteers and the multi-disciplinary folks at crisis-mapping,
> > requests for map updates and features are flying fast and furious.
> >
> > If you have any OSM experience, you can help.
> >
> > If you know anybody from Haiti, and can help them to use the OSM
> > tools, it would be very helpful to have their experience identifying
> > things, so that they can be named on the map.
> >
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