[kwlug-disc] Sault Ste Marie Linux?

Thu Aug 16 09:54:40 EDT 2018

The reason I stick with Ubuntu is that it has the largest software
ecosystem.
* For me, the ZFS support is a requirement. That's not available in any
other distro.
* For users of my open source project, the open source AMD GPU driver is
too buggy, and the closed source driver, which works, is only supported on
Ubuntu LTS, Red Hat and SUSE. (You can avoid this problem by getting an
Nvidia GPU.)
* This doesn't affect me right now, but if you want to run commercial
proprietary software on Linux, you have the most choices if you stick with
the big 3, which are: Ubuntu LTS, Red Hat and SUSE.

I agree that you should choose the desktop environment that is right for
you. However, I really hate the idea that I should install a different
distro if I want to try out a different DE. Ideally, the choice of DE
should be just be another package that you install.

In Ubuntu 18.04, I can use
  $ apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
to install Mate, or
  $ apt-get install xfce4
Then I can have multiple desktop environments available, and choose one
when I log in.

On 15 August 2018 at 17:25, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "I really appreciate their choice to adopt a lot of the basic window
> management keyboard shortcuts/etc.This really takes away a lot of the
> cognitive 'switching desktops' friction out for me... "
>
> Exactly! I really appreciated Mint's efforts to give great control to the
> user on the types of updates to apply and their key bindings. After almost
> 2 years of using GNU/Linux primarily with Xfce and Cinnamon DTs, I have the
> following perspective --
> - Xfce ---> Intuitive efficiency, the desktop does *not* get in the way,
> the desktop to go fast and play hard, viscerally lean
> - Mate --> Intuitive, albeit somewhat plodding as one maneuvers to the
> command to execute
> - Cinnamon --> Pure visual nom-noms that is still intuitive, easy to
> negotiate, superb contextual video/audio switching, all at a reasonable hit
> on RAM and CPU utilization
> - Gnome3 --> WTF??? I have to fight though my rage as I try to do some
> sort of a "system-level" query/command without invoking th terminal
> - KDE(Plasma5) - Wow...Just way too busy for me with significant
> CPU/Memory utilization which hurts a laptop battery life something fierce.
>
> I went exclusively laptop back in 2006, so I have no idea how these DTs
> would play on juicier desktop/tower systems.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Singh
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Stuart Seeley <stuart at lowlevel.ca> wrote:
>
>> I've suffered through a lot of broken distributions over the past 20 odd
>> years...  and I have to say I'm really impressed with Mint 18.2.
>> For me, it truly is the first time I completed the installation and
>> almost nothing was broken...
>>
>> Side note:As someone who has to work with Windows everyday, I really
>> appreciate their choice to adopt a lot of the basic window management
>> keyboard shortcuts/etc.
>> This really takes away a lot of the cognitive 'switching desktops'
>> friction out for me...
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed -- back in November 2016 when I decided to try this Linux thing
>>> my only visibility into Linux was a Live Ubuntu 10.04 cd that I booted,
>>> stared uncomprehendingly at for a few minutes and went back to my Windows
>>> XP. That was 8 years ago.  Flash forward to late 2016 where I tossed distro
>>> after distro, at least 40 onto 3 low-cost laptops to see which one(s)
>>> fitted my sensibilities. It was a HUGE learning opportunity for me, not
>>> just from a for and fit standpoint, but something of the innards of the
>>> Linux communities online.
>>>
>>> I settled on Mint 18.2 where *nothing* is broken and OpenSUSE 42.3.
>>>
>>> Not sure if it's me and my very limited knowledge, but I have a number
>>> of frustrations with anything based off Ubuntu 18.04, seems like the early
>>> point releases of Debian 9-based distros and distros built on Ubuntu
>>> 16.04.1/.2/.3 have fared well for me. Fedora made me cry,  too many
>>> barriers to entry for me,
>>>
>>> So, as a 22-monto noob, I would highly recommended Mint 18.2 preferably
>>> with Xfce. Cinnamon is quite appealing too and would be an excellent
>>> desktop if he has a laptop/desktop from a recent vintage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ron Singh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:53 PM, William Park via kwlug-disc <
>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the best way to start learning Ubuntu (and Linux) is by using
>>>> it.  Pick a task he would do in Windows, and try doing that in Linux.
>>>> --
>>>> William Park <opengeometry at yahoo.ca>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Daniel Allen wrote:
>>>> > Hi folks. I have a friend who is moving to Sault Ste Marie (to start
>>>> at
>>>> > Algoma) in a few weeks. He's also just now deciding he'd like to
>>>> switch
>>>> > from Windows to Ubuntu. There doesn't seem to be any LUG in the
>>>> Sault. But
>>>> > does anybody happen to know any LUG-type people up there?
>>>> > I'm not sure what to advise him about starting with Ubuntu- he might
>>>> be
>>>> > able to get himself up and running ubuntu himself, but it'd be easier
>>>> with
>>>> > some community...
>>>> > Thanks for any contacts I can pass along.
>>>> > -Daniel
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