[kwlug-disc] Sault Ste Marie Linux?

Thu Aug 16 10:51:40 EDT 2018

Huh! I had no idea that ZFS was supported in native Ubuntu, I thought they
stopped at XFS. Good to know.

Doug, any reservations about having multiple DTs on one Linux install? I am
fearful of dependencies stepping on each other and rendering an unstable
system.

Thanks,

Ron Singh

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:54 AM, doug moen <doug at moens.org> wrote:

> The reason I stick with Ubuntu is that it has the largest software
> ecosystem.
> * For me, the ZFS support is a requirement. That's not available in any
> other distro.
> * For users of my open source project, the open source AMD GPU driver is
> too buggy, and the closed source driver, which works, is only supported on
> Ubuntu LTS, Red Hat and SUSE. (You can avoid this problem by getting an
> Nvidia GPU.)
> * This doesn't affect me right now, but if you want to run commercial
> proprietary software on Linux, you have the most choices if you stick with
> the big 3, which are: Ubuntu LTS, Red Hat and SUSE.
>
> I agree that you should choose the desktop environment that is right for
> you. However, I really hate the idea that I should install a different
> distro if I want to try out a different DE. Ideally, the choice of DE
> should be just be another package that you install.
>
> In Ubuntu 18.04, I can use
>   $ apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
> to install Mate, or
>   $ apt-get install xfce4
> Then I can have multiple desktop environments available, and choose one
> when I log in.
>
>
>
> On 15 August 2018 at 17:25, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "I really appreciate their choice to adopt a lot of the basic window
>> management keyboard shortcuts/etc.This really takes away a lot of the
>> cognitive 'switching desktops' friction out for me... "
>>
>> Exactly! I really appreciated Mint's efforts to give great control to the
>> user on the types of updates to apply and their key bindings. After almost
>> 2 years of using GNU/Linux primarily with Xfce and Cinnamon DTs, I have the
>> following perspective --
>> - Xfce ---> Intuitive efficiency, the desktop does *not* get in the way,
>> the desktop to go fast and play hard, viscerally lean
>> - Mate --> Intuitive, albeit somewhat plodding as one maneuvers to the
>> command to execute
>> - Cinnamon --> Pure visual nom-noms that is still intuitive, easy to
>> negotiate, superb contextual video/audio switching, all at a reasonable hit
>> on RAM and CPU utilization
>> - Gnome3 --> WTF??? I have to fight though my rage as I try to do some
>> sort of a "system-level" query/command without invoking th terminal
>> - KDE(Plasma5) - Wow...Just way too busy for me with significant
>> CPU/Memory utilization which hurts a laptop battery life something fierce.
>>
>> I went exclusively laptop back in 2006, so I have no idea how these DTs
>> would play on juicier desktop/tower systems.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ron Singh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Stuart Seeley <stuart at lowlevel.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've suffered through a lot of broken distributions over the past 20 odd
>>> years...  and I have to say I'm really impressed with Mint 18.2.
>>> For me, it truly is the first time I completed the installation and
>>> almost nothing was broken...
>>>
>>> Side note:As someone who has to work with Windows everyday, I really
>>> appreciate their choice to adopt a lot of the basic window management
>>> keyboard shortcuts/etc.
>>> This really takes away a lot of the cognitive 'switching desktops'
>>> friction out for me...
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed -- back in November 2016 when I decided to try this Linux thing
>>>> my only visibility into Linux was a Live Ubuntu 10.04 cd that I booted,
>>>> stared uncomprehendingly at for a few minutes and went back to my Windows
>>>> XP. That was 8 years ago.  Flash forward to late 2016 where I tossed distro
>>>> after distro, at least 40 onto 3 low-cost laptops to see which one(s)
>>>> fitted my sensibilities. It was a HUGE learning opportunity for me, not
>>>> just from a for and fit standpoint, but something of the innards of the
>>>> Linux communities online.
>>>>
>>>> I settled on Mint 18.2 where *nothing* is broken and OpenSUSE 42.3.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if it's me and my very limited knowledge, but I have a number
>>>> of frustrations with anything based off Ubuntu 18.04, seems like the early
>>>> point releases of Debian 9-based distros and distros built on Ubuntu
>>>> 16.04.1/.2/.3 have fared well for me. Fedora made me cry,  too many
>>>> barriers to entry for me,
>>>>
>>>> So, as a 22-monto noob, I would highly recommended Mint 18.2 preferably
>>>> with Xfce. Cinnamon is quite appealing too and would be an excellent
>>>> desktop if he has a laptop/desktop from a recent vintage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ron Singh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:53 PM, William Park via kwlug-disc <
>>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the best way to start learning Ubuntu (and Linux) is by using
>>>>> it.  Pick a task he would do in Windows, and try doing that in Linux.
>>>>> --
>>>>> William Park <opengeometry at yahoo.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Daniel Allen wrote:
>>>>> > Hi folks. I have a friend who is moving to Sault Ste Marie (to start
>>>>> at
>>>>> > Algoma) in a few weeks. He's also just now deciding he'd like to
>>>>> switch
>>>>> > from Windows to Ubuntu. There doesn't seem to be any LUG in the
>>>>> Sault. But
>>>>> > does anybody happen to know any LUG-type people up there?
>>>>> > I'm not sure what to advise him about starting with Ubuntu- he might
>>>>> be
>>>>> > able to get himself up and running ubuntu himself, but it'd be
>>>>> easier with
>>>>> > some community...
>>>>> > Thanks for any contacts I can pass along.
>>>>> > -Daniel
>>>>>
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