[kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for newbies

jvj at golden.net jvj at golden.net
Fri Jan 19 21:26:08 EST 2018 

 Bob et al.
 Just tossing out a comment about Virtual Machines.
 VMs sort of fall In the what is old is new again category.
 VMs have been out in the wild since the 1980s and maybe the 1970s.
 Before Jobs and the Woz started the personal computer fad, IBM had VMs 
 for their big iron.
 Their VMs were a thing for the 36s and 38s of the day - and may go back 
 to the 3-sickly.
 Dunno about the *IX side of the world vis a vis Ritchie & Kernihan & 
 others.
 Regards
 JohnJ


 On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:25:04 -0500, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> 
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> I think this is why Virtual Machines were invented!
>
> Whenever I do a demonstration of an installation, I use VirtualBox.
> This lets me set up a base environment, create a snapshot, practice
> the installation, then return to the snapshot to do it over again.
>
> A bare metal install for an OS will provide lasting results -- you 
> can
> take home the laptop with a shiny new OS on it. But a bare metal
> install doesn't really offer any advantages over a VM for a
> demonstration that's primarily concerned with procedure or technique.
>
> OTOH, it always nice to work on a Thinkpad...
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
> On 2018-01-19 03:57 PM, Ron Singh wrote:
>> Yup, I will be at the Feb meet.
>>
>> I think it might be wise to get the X220 to you before the meeting
>> so that you can do a dry run of the install and make sure all is
>> good before doing the live install at KWLUG's Feb meet? I am in
>> Waterloo and can meet up wherever to hand off the laptop.
>>
>> I wonder, since most folks really interact with a PC's desktop
>> environment and browsers, would it be prudent to mebbe stuff a 500G
>> HDD in the laptop so that you could have multiple installs of
>> Linux, simply for a presenter to showcase the pros/cons of various
>> desktop environments?
>>
>> I cannot justify(afford) storage any greater than a 128G SSD or a
>> 500G 7200RPM WD Black HDD, and I think a 128G SSD might be tight if
>> one wanted around 4 installs to show off Xfce, Mate, Cinnamon,
>> Gnome3, or LXDE etc.
>>
>> Rambling on a bit further, I wonder if I should not just leave the
>> X220 without whoever will be doing any sort of presenting and who
>> might be reluctant to mess with their own hardware, perhaps that
>> person would benefit from a beater laptop?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ron Singh "in transit, via mobile comm device"
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM, James Kelsh
>> <freshmeadow1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Ron, it will help! That way I font have to overwrite my
>>> existing Ubuntu installation!!!!! Will you be at the February
>>> meeting? We can talk there.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim, I can lend an X220 laptop with 8G and an SSD(to reduce
>>> install time and make the presentation go a bit faster) for the
>>> bare-metal install if this help in anyway.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ron Singh "in transit, via mobile comm device"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:14 AM, James Kelsh
>>> <freshmeadow1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be happy to do it in March. I am thinking to include
>>>> installation on bare metal from a dvd, USB stick, and maybe
>>>> dual booting and installing from an iso in a VM too. Let's talk
>>>> further at the February meeting. Jim
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:24 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
>>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be fantastic. Could you slot your presentation in
>>>>> March?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:18:31PM -0500, James Kelsh
>>>>>> wrote: Hello all. I have been away for a while because I
>>>>>> started teaching at
>>>> Conestoga College and depending on what school you are in it
>>>> takes over your life. Anyway, the beginner sessions sound like
>>>> a great idea! I know I could still benefit as I do not work
>>>> with Linux but have been using it for some time.
>>>>>> I would be happy to give a short talk on how to install
>>>>>> Linux on a
>>>> laptop.
>>>>>> I did give 2 talks in the past, one on Knoppix and the
>>>>>> other on
>>>> converting an OEM installation of Windows 7 into a virtual
>>>> machine using disk2vhd and running it under Ubuntu.
>>>>>> Just a thought. Anyway, hope to see everyone at the
>>>>>> February meeting. Jim Kelsh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Chamunks
>>>>>>> <chamunks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if, in order to help improve on attendance we do a
>>>>>>> beginners
>>>> portion and a deep dive portion of the KWLUG rather then just
>>>> exclusively the 2 hour format where its all heavy from start to
>>>> finish we try to have a beginner section from 7 where we cover
>>>> some light stuff and then go into a deep dive in the second
>>>> half.  This way we can bring more rookies into the fold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:25 AM Andrew Sullivan Cant
>>>>>>>> <
>>>> acant at alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Robert Elder was also running a Linux basics meetup
>>>>>>>> last year, but
>>>> has
>>>>>>>> not run any events yet this year:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.meetup.com/Intro-to-Linux-Command-line-C-Programming/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
> He also has some Linux how to material on his own website:
>>>>>>>> https://www.robertelder.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/18 22:06, Joan Currie wrote: I'd like that
>>>>>>>>> as well.   Cheers, Joan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Bob Jonkman
>>>>>>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think a presentation on GNU/Linux file systems is a
>>>>>>>>> great idea! Always good to go back to basics
>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On January 16, 2018 3:34:55 PM EST, Chamunks
>>>>>>>>> <chamunks at gmail.com <mailto:chamunks at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If its a noobie meetup covering the Linux filesystem
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> like that could really help get peoples head around
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> logical to us veterans but it might help to discuss
>>>>>>>>> the differences between the major distros and some of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> history etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:17 AM CrankyOldBugger
>>>>>>>>> <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 on the edX course...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 at 03:08 Sandeep Johri
>>>>>>>>> <sandeepjohri at rogers.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sandeepjohri at rogers.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd also suggest joining the free Introduction to
>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>>> course on EdX.  I found it helpful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sandeep
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Sandeep Johri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/18 01:01 PM, peter_melse at gto.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:peter_melse at gto.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> DevOps talk suggestions:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> configuration management (puppet, chef, ansible,
>>>> salt,
>>>>>>>>>> etc.) automated deployment (satellite, the
>>>>>>>>>> foreman) patch management (aptly, landscape, and
>>>>>>>>>> the rhel equivalents?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for
>>>> newbies
>>>>>>>>>> *Date:* Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:18:10 -0500 *From:*
>>>>>>>>>> <jvj at golden.net> <mailto:jvj at golden.net> *To:*
>>>>>>>>>> kwlug <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> *Reply-To:* KWLUG
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linux & Linux admin for newbies
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In last week's meeting an attendee was self
>>>> described
>>>>>>>>>> as a Linux newbie and explained that Linux admin
>>>>>>>>>> was an interest. As I identified with the "newbie"
>>>>>>>>>> aspect I gave the attendee a short list of topics
>>>>>>>>>> to study. This list (somewhat modified) follows -
>>>>>>>>>> and shows
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I am somewhat dated. And I invite the members to
>>>>>>>>>> copy and and add to this list to help other new
>>>>>>>>>> newbies who might subscribe
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> these discussions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *IX == UNIX (history) (with reference to Tim's
>>>>>>>>>> recap of last week.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Command Line Input aka CLI Terminal Screen Shell &
>>>>>>>>>> BASH Shell BASH scripting tar ssh gnome unity gnome
>>>>>>>>>> vs unity text editors: vi & vim & [other]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linux admin (aka DevOps) I have nothing to add here
>>>>>>>>>> - and am looking for
>>>> topics.
>>>>>>>>>> (hint: I go back to fsck)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards JohnJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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