[kwlug-disc] G Suite Free not free anymore

[Doug Moen]

pobox.com is older than fastmail.com (1995 vs 1999).
The $50/yr plan from pobox gives me 50GB of storage,
vs $50/yr from fastmail that gives 30GB of storage.

pobox is a wholely owned subsidiary of fastmail (acquired in 2015).
They use the same infrastructure, and I log in to fastmail to get my webmail interface.

Doug.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc wrote:
> This thread has mentioned fastmail.com. Going on a tangent here, want to 
> note their podcast (re: open standards):
>
> https://www.fastmail.com/digitalcitizen/why-open-internet-standards-are-so-important-to-your-future-with-bron-gondwana/
>
>
>>> I have used Google Apps pretty much since their inception to host my
>>> personal domain email.  However as of May Google will not allow free
>>> hosting and wants me to pay $7.80/month/user (i have 6).  I'm not really
>>> keen on self hosting email (too much upkeep).  What I wonder is how are
>>> others hosting their domains and email these days?
>>
>> Same here. I self-hosted before I moved in 2008, and switched to 
>> Google Apps "temporarily" to avoid downtime. It turns out, I didn't 
>> miss self hosting.
>>
>> I'm dealing with three single-user domains, not three users on one 
>> domain, because google only allowed the additional domains to be 
>> aliases at the time, and that isn't what I wanted.
>>
>> Since then, Android has come along, so that's the primary login for 
>> our phones. So it's not "just" email now.
>>
>>> One of my biggest concerns is my personal domain account is my primary
>>> google account for my android devices.  It is trivial to move my 
>>> email but
>>> I have concerns regarding losing access to my play store purchases 
>>> (apps,
>>> movies, books) also will miss nice things like calendar and storage and
>>> chat. Google hasn't released many details on this change it seems 
>>> like most
>>> articles are just speculating.  If anyone has any good sources of info I
>>> would welcome them.
>>
>> All three of us also pay $28/year for additional storage (for 
>> photos).  So the google bill will be significant -- $365/year!!!
>>
>> Curiously, free gmail accounts can share their storage addon as a 
>> "Family" -- something we can't do with domain accounts. So we'd only 
>> pay $40/year for storage (200GB), rather than $28/user/year (100GBx3).
>>
>> As you said, moving email is easy (and honestly, calendar/contacts 
>> isn't much harder).
>>
>> Losing app purchases sucks -- but rebuying is significantly less than 
>> a one year bill from Google (and a lot of my app purchases are for EOL 
>> apps anyway).  I never used their books or movies.
>>
>> My major, major hangup is photos. Ideally, I'd prefer to use something 
>> more privacy-centric for photos, but I just can't get anything close 
>> to the convenience of being able to search "Alexis Van" and getting a 
>> photo of my wife with a "Mystery Machine" replica at a car show 10 
>> years ago.
>>
>> There also doesn't seem to be a good way to move photos to another 
>> account.  I just finished a Google Takeout of my photos (80GB) and 
>> will try uploading that into a gmail account to test.
>>
>>> I don't have a problem paying for email and services but $42 /month 
>>> is a little steep.
>>
>> Ditto. Personally I moved my email to fastmail a few years ago. Just 
>> me (not the other two domains), and just email/contacts/calendar (I 
>> still use my google account for android, photos, and apps, as 
>> mentioned above).
>>
>> I settled on them because:
>>
>>     1. They work on open source (Cyrus IMAP) and are trying to get a 
>> new     email spec adopted (JMAP). I've used the former, and the 
>> latter     sounds interesting.
>>
>>     2. They support standard protocols -- IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV, (and 
>>     JMAP, if you want to count that).
>>
>>     3. They don't do ads, or free accounts (They do a free trial     
>> though).
>>
>>     4. They've been doing this longer than gmail existed.
>>
>> Their pricing isn't exactly stellar though. A basic account is 
>> USD$30/year/user. I have more than 2GB of mail, so I'm paying 
>> USD$50/year. That's a lot when you consider it's *just* email. But 
>> they also only make their money from this, not from data mining and 
>> ads... So pick your poison I guess. 
>
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