[kwlug-disc] G Suite Free not free anymore

[Raymond Chen]

I only use Google Apps to forward emails from a few email addresses of my
own domain to my primary gmail address. In my use case I don’t need
hosting. I think I will switch to the free Cloudflare Email Routing. Thank
you, Google.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:47 Doug Moen <doug at moens.org> wrote:

> pobox.com is older than fastmail.com (1995 vs 1999).
> The $50/yr plan from pobox gives me 50GB of storage,
> vs $50/yr from fastmail that gives 30GB of storage.
>
> pobox is a wholely owned subsidiary of fastmail (acquired in 2015).
> They use the same infrastructure, and I log in to fastmail to get my
> webmail interface.
>
> Doug.
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc wrote:
> > This thread has mentioned fastmail.com. Going on a tangent here, want
> to
> > note their podcast (re: open standards):
> >
> >
> https://www.fastmail.com/digitalcitizen/why-open-internet-standards-are-so-important-to-your-future-with-bron-gondwana/
> >
> >
> >>> I have used Google Apps pretty much since their inception to host my
> >>> personal domain email.  However as of May Google will not allow free
> >>> hosting and wants me to pay $7.80/month/user (i have 6).  I'm not
> really
> >>> keen on self hosting email (too much upkeep).  What I wonder is how are
> >>> others hosting their domains and email these days?
> >>
> >> Same here. I self-hosted before I moved in 2008, and switched to
> >> Google Apps "temporarily" to avoid downtime. It turns out, I didn't
> >> miss self hosting.
> >>
> >> I'm dealing with three single-user domains, not three users on one
> >> domain, because google only allowed the additional domains to be
> >> aliases at the time, and that isn't what I wanted.
> >>
> >> Since then, Android has come along, so that's the primary login for
> >> our phones. So it's not "just" email now.
> >>
> >>> One of my biggest concerns is my personal domain account is my primary
> >>> google account for my android devices.  It is trivial to move my
> >>> email but
> >>> I have concerns regarding losing access to my play store purchases
> >>> (apps,
> >>> movies, books) also will miss nice things like calendar and storage and
> >>> chat. Google hasn't released many details on this change it seems
> >>> like most
> >>> articles are just speculating.  If anyone has any good sources of info
> I
> >>> would welcome them.
> >>
> >> All three of us also pay $28/year for additional storage (for
> >> photos).  So the google bill will be significant -- $365/year!!!
> >>
> >> Curiously, free gmail accounts can share their storage addon as a
> >> "Family" -- something we can't do with domain accounts. So we'd only
> >> pay $40/year for storage (200GB), rather than $28/user/year (100GBx3).
> >>
> >> As you said, moving email is easy (and honestly, calendar/contacts
> >> isn't much harder).
> >>
> >> Losing app purchases sucks -- but rebuying is significantly less than
> >> a one year bill from Google (and a lot of my app purchases are for EOL
> >> apps anyway).  I never used their books or movies.
> >>
> >> My major, major hangup is photos. Ideally, I'd prefer to use something
> >> more privacy-centric for photos, but I just can't get anything close
> >> to the convenience of being able to search "Alexis Van" and getting a
> >> photo of my wife with a "Mystery Machine" replica at a car show 10
> >> years ago.
> >>
> >> There also doesn't seem to be a good way to move photos to another
> >> account.  I just finished a Google Takeout of my photos (80GB) and
> >> will try uploading that into a gmail account to test.
> >>
> >>> I don't have a problem paying for email and services but $42 /month
> >>> is a little steep.
> >>
> >> Ditto. Personally I moved my email to fastmail a few years ago. Just
> >> me (not the other two domains), and just email/contacts/calendar (I
> >> still use my google account for android, photos, and apps, as
> >> mentioned above).
> >>
> >> I settled on them because:
> >>
> >>     1. They work on open source (Cyrus IMAP) and are trying to get a
> >> new     email spec adopted (JMAP). I've used the former, and the
> >> latter     sounds interesting.
> >>
> >>     2. They support standard protocols -- IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV, (and
> >>     JMAP, if you want to count that).
> >>
> >>     3. They don't do ads, or free accounts (They do a free trial
> >> though).
> >>
> >>     4. They've been doing this longer than gmail existed.
> >>
> >> Their pricing isn't exactly stellar though. A basic account is
> >> USD$30/year/user. I have more than 2GB of mail, so I'm paying
> >> USD$50/year. That's a lot when you consider it's *just* email. But
> >> they also only make their money from this, not from data mining and
> >> ads... So pick your poison I guess.
> >
> >
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